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charles-4 on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/Testing-electrosensitives-tp3195520p3213827.html
Your question:
Are you saying that all electrosensitive people above the threshold, people who are extremely sensitive, should be excluded from tests?
You have mixed up here two separate things.
1. *electrosensitive people above the threshold*
2. *extremely sensitive*
If I touch your finger gently, you won't feel any pain.
When I hit your finger with a hammer, and touch it gently, or point even to it, you will feel pain.
When I hit your finger again with the hammer, and touch it gently, or point even to it, you will feel the same pain.
Not twice the pain.
My point is, that with all these tests on electrosensitive persons, my 7 points were neglected.
And electrosensitives, who were already loaded with elektrosmog could not detect the next elektrosmog sources, and thus the *scientists* claim, that nobody could detect elektrosmog sources.
Sp, in mu opinion, the heavily electrosensitive persons, who are above the threshold are not suitable for serious testing.
And also *normal*, not-electrosensitive persons are not suitable for testing.
Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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From: seandaly33
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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:45 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Testing electrosensitives
Hello Charles,
Just a question in relation to your statement that "for testing elektrosensitives, it is important, that they must have the condition as in figure 3 before the test. Persons according to figure 2 or figure 4 do not qualify."
Are you saying that all electrosensitive people above the threshold, people who are extremely sensitive, should be excluded from tests?
Doesn't this rule out all heavily electrosensitive people, who never come back down below the border threshold, and who are potentially, in theory, the most suitable to test given their high sensitivity?
Or am I misunderstanding something?
You are right about the need for the body to be stabilised again after exposure before the next test. Indeed, I have only ever seen one paper relating to testing electrosensitivie people mention this, and it is still a poor enough paper. See here:
www.avaate.org/IMG/doc/WHO_Seminar_paper_Final.doc
As an aside, in relation to the immune system I came across an interesting piece that puts forward a proposal of how EMF exposure might stimulate an immune response:
www.immunent.com/im/Immune_stimulation_in_Fish_and_Chicken.pdf
In it, the researchers hypothesize that stress to cells caused by EMF exposure may produce the immune system messengers, called cytokines, that function as alarms or so called danger signals for the immune system. They try to assess if the stimulation of the immune system by the EMFs may help diseased fish, but I would put forward that there could be the potential for stimulating the immune system in a bad way, especially if your immune system is already impaired, and may become more impaired through the exposure. I've looked at this paper on the immune system:www.fiatalitas.hu/0-Out%20of%20Balance.pdf
It states that certain hormones, called glucocorticoids, coming from the endocrine system, including cortisol, help prevent the immune system from overshooting or mounting an overreactive immune response that can cause damage to tissues and cells. Stress disrupts bidirectional communication between the brain and immune system and can cause dysregulation of these signals coming from the endocrine system. Therefore, it is possible that the glucocorticoid signals are disrupted; the result may be reduced restraint on the immune system and overproduction of proinflammatory cytokines.
I would put forward that because the immune system of electrosensitive people are probably impaired, and become more so with exposure to EMFs, that some electrosensitivity symptoms may be possibly caused by inflammation due to the above disruption.
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> Hello,
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> because I got fed up with all those engineers in highfrequency technique, and physicists, who babble about testing electrosensitives, without the notion of biology involved, I have written this piece.
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> It is an open letter I wrote to a dutch commission.
> And this one I have tried to translate into english for your understanding.
> It is my personal view of things.
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> It can be downloaded from:
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http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Rapporten/0717KennisplatformE.pdf >
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
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