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Loni, you misunderstood.
Contrary to pills, etc. I mean that an ionic foot spa is a nice mechanical way of detox.
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Charles Claessens
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From: Loni
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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox
Charles, So you don't do an electrical foot bath. You said mechanical. Loni
--- On Sat, 7/2/11, charles <
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From: charles <
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Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox
To:
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Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:46 AM
I am still very positive about a good ionic foot spa.
It is a nice mechanical way of detox.
Every other day, in two weeks, and then once a month.
It also takes out good stuff, so compensate with a good multivitamin en Calcium.
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Charles Claessens
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From: Andrew McAfee
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Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Rife and detox
I have tried many detox regimes and am currently off and on the Cilantro/Chorella supplements. I am going very slow with this as my liver is way over taxed so do Oxicell-SE Glutathione and SOD cream, Mercola Whey (great for Glutathione) in my goat milk shakes, and ESSIAC tea, (about 15 other things on and off for liver support).
I too have been recently diagnosed with Celiac.
Had a DNA test recently and it showed Wheat and Gluten IgA (auto-immune, anti-bodies).
So with permeability issues, toxins floating around is bad, bad, bad.
I am all for going slow, slow, slow in recovery regimens.
Thanks for asking, Diane.
Andrew
On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Evie wrote:
> Hi, Andrew and Charles,
>
> I basically agree with both of you, however, I would like to point out one thing, lest others here think mycoplasms are the only problem to consider in MS or ES. One doesn't *require* mycoplasm infection to get either MS or ES. Tight junctions (ion channelopathy) are the gatekeepers of the cells. With damaged tight junctions you do not need a membrane-less pathogen to accomplish any of the immune dysfunctions which follow. Your damaged tight junctions allow the pathogens access whether they are membrane-less (lack a cell wall) or not. TJ damage also allows mercury and toxins free reign of ones body. But, you are both, nevertheless, correct. If one uses the correct treatment methods for the correct problem area, one can accomplish healing of any of these issues. The real problem lies in finding the correct treatment methods and correct issue(s) to treat, which can entail a lifetime of searching (during which one better have a strong
positive
> attitude, or they will be toast). :)
>
> Thanks for the info, Andrew. Sounds like a good protocol for mycoplasms. Is this a protocol you, yourself, are using? Let us know your progress, please. Thanks.
>
> Diane
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> --- On Sat, 7/2/11, Andrew McAfee <
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>> From: Andrew McAfee <
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>> Subject: [eSens] Rife and detox
>> To:
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>> Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 11:59 AM
>> I agree with Charles. And, it is a
>> little of the chicken and egg theory as well. Manfred
>> Mueller, one of the US's top homeopaths teaches that
>> underlying the mycoplasma diseases (MS, etc.) lies the
>> mercury contamination issue. Many of the fungus/bacteria
>> live off of the mercury and other heavy metals which also
>> destroy the body's own ability to detoxify. So as long as
>> the heavy metals are present, the glutathione
>> production/liver detox function is down.
>>
>> My experience has shown when an aggressive detox regime is
>> attempted, these myco/fungus/bacteria bugs migrate with the
>> metals and infections spread throughout the body, where ever
>> the metals get spread (since most detox chelators are
>> imperfect), brain, intestines, colon, etc.
>>
>> Mueller uses Cilantro in Mother Tincture form with
>> Chlorella to sop up the extra metals for a 2-5 or more year
>> period (slow detox).
>> I think you must also kill off the bugs as you chelate.
>>
>> Allicin Garlic, colloidal silver, Rife Frequencies, etc. in
>> conjunction with the cilantro/chlorella 5 times a week for a
>> couple years is a minimum procedure.
>>
>> This is complex and no one should embark upon an aggressive
>> detox regime without reading a lot on it or you will pay
>> dearly, like I have.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2011, at 11:22 AM, charles wrote:
>>
>>> There is no reason ahving a fatalistic attitude with
>> MS.
>>>
>>> Many people have resolved these problems with Rife
>> frequency therapy.
>>>
>>> I quote here from the *The Rife Handbook* by nenah
>> Sylver:
>>> *****************************
>>> With all autoimmune disorders, the body’s
>>>
>>> immune cells attack the person’s own tissues.
>> Autoimmune
>>>
>>> disorders are often due to the presence of tiny
>> Mycoplasma—
>>>
>>> so-called “stealth pathogens”—whose lack of a
>> cell wall allow
>>>
>>> them to invade our cells and assume some of the
>> properties
>>>
>>> of our own tissue. O ur immune cells sense something
>> hiding
>>>
>>> in our cells, and attack them.
>>>
>>> If the Mycoplasma invade the central nervous system,
>> the
>>>
>>> disease is Multiple Sclerosis (although MS can also
>> have a
>>>
>>> non-autoimmune origin). I f the Mycoplasma invade our
>> joints,
>>>
>>> the disease is rheumatoid arthritis. If the body
>> attacks foreign
>>>
>>> proteins that it mistakes for its own tissues,
>> resulting in a
>>>
>>> severe inflammatory response that could be anywhere,
>> the
>>>
>>> disease is Lupus erythematosus.
>>>
>>> *****************************
>>> I have no proof, but I believe that the chemtrails
>> contain Mycoplasma's, which is a breeding ground for a lot
>> of diseases.
>>>
>>> The only disadvantage of a Rife frequency therapy is,
>> that it consumes a lot of time.
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Charles Claessens
>>> member Verband Baubiologie
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>>> From: Evie
>>> To:
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>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: testing question
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Stephen,
>>>
>>> I was mis-dxed with MS for 2 years (in 1980s).
>> After I had MRIs (early 1990s), the specialist concluded I
>> did not have actual MS. I did show abnormalties on brain
>> scans, but he concluded, from the preponderance of symptoms
>> I was having (MS-like symptoms in all quadrants of my body),
>> that it was not MS. I also have the problem with the V.
>> Jugularis veins, but mine comes and goes. (When I have it,
>> however, it could sometimes be causing stroke/ seizures; I
>> recognise a tightened feeling in my neck after many years of
>> it coming and going, and I do notice this is when I am at
>> higher risk for having strokes/ seizures and especially
>> migraine-type episodes.)
>>>
>>> I mention all of this because it appears *to me*
>> (I have not read this anywhere) that the clogging of the V.
>> Jugularis is caused directly by calcium efflux. And I assume
>> this is why it "comes and goes" for me. If this is true, it
>> could mean we have commonalities with MS, but not
>> necessarily that we all have MS. It is already known, I
>> believe, that MS is an ion channel disease. (I may be wrong
>> about this being a proven conclusion, however, I know it has
>> been suspected for many years by Dr. Alessio Fasano, and
>> others, and studies were at least undertaken to check for
>> that.) If MS is, however, a channelopathy (as is celiac
>> disease), it would mean people with MS, celiac disease, and,
>> likely, ES all have commonalities, but not necessarily the
>> same exact disease.
>>>
>>> The reason this is important is, people with MS
>> can have a steady down-hill road to debilitation and
>> incapacitation. One who believes they have MS can easily
>> become trapped into thinking there is no hope and this is
>> their fate. However, consider me: I was nearly completely
>> bed-bound for 13 years, barely able to live a normal life
>> for most of my life before that, and here I am; I now hike
>> and bike and work nearly as well as a normal person. True,
>> my health is not 100%, but I am nothing like I used to be.
>> If you keep looking into MS, be sure that you do not fall
>> into a fatalistic attitude on the way. Your attitude is all
>> you have; docs don't have the answers, science doesn't have
>> all the answers. YOU have the possibility to find what works
>> for you. Believe that, and never let go of that.
>>>
>>> Good luck, Stephen,
>>> Diane
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 7/1/11, stephen_vandevijvere <
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>> wrote:
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>>>
>>> From: stephen_vandevijvere <
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>>> Subject: [eSens] Re: testing question
>>> To:
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>>> Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 8:05 PM
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> One therapist told me:
>>>
>>> Some Italian internist Dr. found out by accident
>> (by looking into the scans of his wife and later comparing
>> these with MS-patients) and many MS-patients seem to have a
>> problem with the blood flow between head and rest of body,
>> so the veins in the neck (V. Jugularis) should be at least
>> opened for 0.8 centimeter,
>>>
>>> They can check that with a Doppler/sound
>> test...
>>>
>>> The test is supposed to be harmless, although
>> that may not be completely true, it's probably like 100
>> times safer than MRI,
>>>
>>> I'm not saying that this test is proof for MS,
>> one Doctor I spoke on this he confirmed it may be useful to
>> have a test done like this if you have MS-symptoms, but he
>> said so far they're still investigating link MS and problems
>> at the V. Jugularis...
>>>
>>> gr,
>>> Stephen.
>>>
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>>>> I was thinking of going to a Neuro. I will stand
>> strong & not get an MRI. I would fry from it.
>>>>
>>>> Are there alternative tests for MS?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kathy
>>>>
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