>Hello Stewart,
>
>Thanks for your thorough replies!
>
>You make good points.  The best thing to do is some comprehensive
>testing
>when I'm there.  I think I am planning to try it out; if I find I
>do well
>there, or no worse than here, then I should make the most of the
>chance to
>spend some time in an otherwise clean, quiet, rural setting.  I'd
>likely try
>out putting up a piece of sheet metal on a post first, as it takes
>away the
>risk of tampering with the actual smart meter itself.
>
>The meters, to the best of my knowledge, operate strictly
>wirelessly.  The
>area is fairly rural; people don't even get cell reception without
>driving
>way up a hill on the property, thank goodness.  (I swear, if
>people ever
>come to their senses about all this, the whole "smart grid" thing,
>along
>with the rest of the wireless madness will turn into a "What the
>hell were
>we thinking?" laughingstock.)
>
>The charger we have for the batteries does generate some AM noise
>that
>sounds typical of a linear transformer, but doesn't seem to carry
>into the
>trailer wiring at all.  The magnetic field is high but drops off
>fairly
>quickly with distance.  If I could run it from that far away I
>would, but
>we've already invested what is for us a lot of money in heavy duty
>extension
>cords and water piping.  Good idea, though.
>
>The fridge runs on propane; whisper-quiet, very efficient, never
>bothered
>me.  Uses the flame to circulate ammonia; never tried plugging it
>into AC
>before.  It's made by Dometic.
>
>How did you rewire the furnace (if you can explain in layman's
>terms)? The
>furnace is an old Duotherm that came with the trailer, it still
>works fine.
> It does generate a local magnetic field, and some "hot spots" in
>the
>trailer walls (probably from wiring), and some RF noise from the
>blower/motor, but I've found that staying away from it when
>running (ie, on
>the bed) hasn't proven problematic.  But what you said about the
>furnace
>sounds interesting; I'd like to hear more if you've got the
>chance.
>
>As for their WiFi (not counting the wireless broadband reception
>they get,
>which, as we discussed, may not be that bad if it's mostly line-of-
>sight),
>CFLs, big TVs and DECT phones, well, the unfortunate truth is that
>it's
>mighty hard to find people who don't have some such combination in
>their
>homes these days.  The good news is that almost everyone I've
>taken the time
>to inform has listened and acted to some extent.  These people
>might be
>tricky, since they've really entrenched themselves in it, but
>we'll see.
> One farm family even refused a $12,000/year rental offer from a
>telcom
>company to put a tower on their land because of what I told them,
>even
>though they really could've used the money.
>
>The house (where some of this "gear" is) is pretty far from the
>trailer.
>
>The office building is closer, but has what are likely thick walls
>and is
>partially shielded by a metal roof.  It's maybe 200 or more feet
>from the
>trailer, and not directly line-of-sight, more off on an angle, and
>there is
>some degree of terrain between us and it.  The trailer's about as
>far away
>as possible from the buildings, short of a very prohibitive
>investment in
>long, long, heavy gauge wires, hoses and fiber optic cable.
>
>I, if I stay, plan to have as little as possible to do with/in
>their
>buildings.
>
>Thanks again!
>
>Take care,
>
>R.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM, S Andreason
><[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hi R. and all,
>> This reply touches on a couple threads.
>>
>>
>> > Now, what I can say, at least from having stood for a few
>minutes with my
>> RF
>> > meter in hand by where my trailer is parked on this property,
>is that I
>> was
>> > not picking up pulses from the smart meter(s) every second or
>numerous
>> times
>> > per minute. I think that there are different types of smart
>meters, and
>> not
>> > all of them send a signal the same number of times per
>minute/hour/day.
>> >
>>
>> I think the determining factor, is now many other smart meters
>are around.
>> Culverpratt just wrote yesterday that the pules are completely
>> unpredictable.
>> Of course, one meter emits an outgoing packet every _x_ hours.
>It
>> transmits to the next closest meter in a mesh network, or to the
>tower
>> if close enough. That meter sends the packet on to the next
>meter, and
>> so on until it reaches the tower.
>>
>> The more smart meters around, the more often the chirping, and
>the
>> higher the exposure, and the faster people will get sick.
>> So if you are in a very rural area, and IF the meter is
>wireless, and
>> not just transmitting back along the power line, as they are
>going to do
>> here, then there are simply more than one possibility and
>outcome to
>> check for. etc. Make sense?
>>
>>
>> > So, Stewart, are you saying that if I stood to the *side* of a
>smart
>> meter
>> > and picked up its transmitting pulse with my RF meter, that
>would
>> indicate
>> > that it's omnidirectional?
>> >
>> Yes, I can't imagine them not being omnidirectional. I would
>simply want
>> to know if it broadcasts wireless.
>>
>>
>> > I'm not talking about wrapping these things in foil (tempting
>though that
>> > sounds); I'm talking about maybe sticking a piece of
>clearshield on the
>> > front of them, or putting a square of sheet metal on a post
>some distance
>> > away from whichever part of the smart meter is pointed toward
>where my
>> > trailer is, to bounce back some of the RF.
>> >
>> >
>> Good plan, maybe even bounce it up or down or away from your
>friendly
>> and helpful neighbor.
>>
>>
>> > That's over forty thousand smart
>> > meters. The one on this house is closer to my bedroom than the
>two on
>> this
>> > rural property would be to my trailer.
>> >
>> But the exposure levels are going to be different, as I think
>you have
>> figured out. One bird chirping is not like a flock of starlings.
>>
>>
>> > The charger I have generates some AM radio noise at the source
>> > (the charger), but that doesn't seem to carry at all into the
>trailer. It
>> > drops off fast.
>>
>> What I did when in a trailer, was to put the NAPA auto automatic
>battery
>> charger 50+ feet away in or on a building close by, providing
>power.
>> Then run a 12 guage romex/insulated set of wires to the trailer
>> batteries. Then I ran the Norcold amonia fridge (no compressor)
>on a
>> heavy duty extension cord, so that it wouldn't use propane, and
>didn't
>> bother me up front. (bed in back, away from power box). Re-wired
>the
>> furnace so it wouldn't use the chassis as a ground loop, and it
>was quiet.
>>
>>
>> > they've got CFLs, WiFi routers and DECT phones.
>> That is disturbing. That should be a higher concern than one
>smart meter.
>>
>>
>> > The man who owns
>> > the place runs a company; he looks dazed all the time. The AM
>radio goes
>> > ape-sh*t when I bring it into his office, I've never even
>heard the
>> noises
>> > it makes in there before; it's quite something.
>> >
>> And so it may be starting to affect him.
>> Are there any hills/buildings/trees to block the "view" from his
>place
>> to your trailer?
>>
>>
>> > All I can say is that I'll have to try the place out. If I
>feel better, I
>> > stay. If not, I go.
>>
>> Hope it goes well,
>> Stewart
>>
>>  
>>
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