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> Kikkie, this is based on sth I posted 6 months ago,
>
> As mentioned cars emit a lot of different emf + we all react differently on different emf + what we measure with those meters is not really the harmful part of emf…
> So it's complicated?! ;-)
>
> Unless you want to write a thesis on car emf, I wouldn't go too technical on this… Imo it's best to test as much as possible from friends, family, car dealers or rental services…
>
> If you ask a car salesman, you are interested in buying that particular car, but you want to make a test drive before you put your money down, mostly they'll agree. When buying second hand cars from persons directly, asking them for a test drive, this is quite easy as well. But I must say, this entire process of pretending you probably are gonna buy the car, whilst actually you mainly want to know how much it radiates you, all this can be tiring!
>
> Below some very general technical info I came across regards car emf. Probably most of the emf in a car comes from:
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> -alternator
> -fuse box
> -battery
> -(direct injection of the) engine
> -loudspeakers
> -tires
> -pedals
> -gps, cell phone, radar, cd-player, car radio, dashboard electronics,...
> Â
> And so you'll have to check where these are located. If the alternator/battery is close
> to your driver's seat for instance...
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> About the battery, could be best to avoid cars with the battery in the back, because otherwise you'll have a battery cable through your entire car. I believe this is the case with almost all bmw's, some Volvo's and recent Audi's. But this may not make that much of a difference if that cable is earthed (as in the bmw's). I've read that with older Volvo V70's their battery cable is not earthed (I wonder who made that 10 cents-cost-cutting decision, Volvo or previous owner Ford?!). After many complaints Volvo made "grounding the battery cable" a very expensive option. Yes, they do care about us! ;-)
>
> I've checked a lot of cars already, also old cars that have almost no electronics and some of them make me more sick
> than a lot of modern cars... I have the same-electricity-running-through-my-body after mowing the grass, but then it's more my hands and not my legs... My lawn mower is very low-tech (no gps!), so I must be ES to the engine...
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> I think I'm also sensitive to the emf that come from the tires (they have a
> metal layer). After I had my tires replaced I felt a little tingle in my legs,
> until then I didn't even know tires can make a difference in EMF... I've read
> that some people demagnetize their tires every 5,000 miles...
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> You could try measuring the emf, which could help you locate some emf-emitters.
> But don't trust it to select your car. The car I drive now and I'm kinda fine
> with (Alfa Romeo 147) measures +/- 20Â around
> the driver seat. Other cars I drove that only measured 2, I got sometimes much much sicker in...
>
> A lot seem to do better with diesel cars instead of fuel engine cars (me in general not).
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> Sites with good info on car emf:
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> http://www.eiwellspring.org/CopingWithEHS.htm
> (Low emf vehicles)
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> http://www.emfsensitivity.com/DriveCar.html
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>
> --- In [hidden email], "kikkie2004" <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Stephen
> >
> > Could you post the car EMF info; I'm in the process of buying a 'new' (second-hand) car.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't experience a feeling of electric current - that must make driving
> > >
> > > The electric current in legs, with me it's not so much during the driving but most of it I feel afterwards. When it's really bad it can last like 48 hours! But I definitely don't have it so extreme with my car.
> > >
> > >
> > > > would an older car make any difference for you?
> > >
> > > Car emf is imo quite complicated! Everybody seems to react different and every car emits a lot of different emf...
> > >
> > > I did test a lot of cars already... It's very strange, I know a lot of ES-ers feel better with older cars, a lot prefer diesel... I happen to love older cars, so wouldn't mind driving an older car... Especially bmw's of the 80's/90's are great to drive imo (I used to be a bit of a car-nutter!), but ES-wise I'm worse in older bmw's then in new ones (with gps and the whole lot...). I also had a 1984 Golf GTI, no electronics whatsoever, it was fuel injection but that worked mechanical, still ES-wise really bad for me!
> > >
> > > The car I drive now: Alfa Romeo 147 (you don't have that in the States), it's 5 years old has got a lot of electronics like gps but for my ES-symptoms the best I've come across. Definitely not as good regards comfort, handling and driving dynamics as any bmw I've driven, but well you can't have it all! ;-)
> > >
> > > If somebody here is sensitive to car emf as well, I can send you a list of things to watch out for, but in the end, you can only find out with testing as much vehicles as possible... Avis and Hertz have thanked me for this already ;-)
> > >
> > > Stephen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't do well in cars/buses/trains/planes - I think with cars it is the
> > > > faraday cage effect - and all the metals which have leached into my tissues in
> > > > my head and neck from my mercury fillings cause a lot of pain - a long car
> > > > journey exhausts me, but I don't experience electricity running up and down my
> > > > body in cars, and haven't had it much since I first became electro hyper
> > > > sensitive [i think before that I was ES but in a low level way and didn't
> > > > realise it - I could tolerate levels of EMF which I cannot now]. As for buses,
> > > > trains and planes I think my reaction is caused by the EMF from everyones cell
> > > > phones bouncing around inside a metal can so those aren't good either - but
> > > > again I don't experience a feeling of electric current - that must make driving
> > > > very difficult and unpleasant - would an older car make any difference for you?
> > > >
> > > > Steph
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 14:44:07
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Inflammation Connection
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > > it was only when I morphed into ES and experienced what Marie describes of
> > > > > electric current running up and down my body in the most frightening of ways
> > > > > that i began to find out what was really wrong with me.
> > > >
> > > > By the way...
> > > > The "electricity running up and down the body": I have that experience mostly in
> > > > my legs after driving most cars,
> > > >
> > > > symptoms with other emf-sources are different for me...
> > > >
> > > > Stephen.
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi snoshoe
> > > > >
> > > > > This is brilliant information - i need to read all of it in much more detail
> > > > >and
> > > > >
> > > > > study it when I have a bit more time and am feelng well enough to use the
> > > > > computer for longer - I read Marie's story - it almost mirrors mine - except I
> > > >
> > > > > was given the dustbin diagnosis of ME/CFS and then left to take care of myself
> > > > >-
> > > > >
> > > > > it was only when I morphed into ES and experienced what Marie describes of
> > > > > electric current running up and down my body in the most frightening of ways
> > > > > that i began to find out what was really wrong with me. Thanks a million for
> > > > > doing this research and posting this.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > best wishes
> > > > >
> > > > > Steph
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@>
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 5:38:43
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Inflammation Connection
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > > Hi all, tired out, but if I don't get this up now, it may not happen as I'm
> > > > > pretty busy the next couple weeks, or I'll forget something by then.
> > > > >
> > > > > I said some time ago I was working up a theory. -
> > > > >
> > > > > Inflammation Connection
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides our need to get heavy metals, etc. out of our bodies, repair myelin
> > > > > sheath,
> > > > > remineralize, limit radiation exposure, I believe we need to manage
> > > > > inflammation.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know many of us are taking things that help reduce that, such as turmeric,
> > > > > vit. D, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think however we would do well to work towards some kind of loose formula
> > > > >that
> > > > >
> > > > > actually
> > > > > controls the symptomatic problems, especially for the problems in our heads.
> > > > >
> > > > > While continuing to endevor getting well, some symptom relief would be
> > > > >wonderful
> > > > >
> > > > > don't you think? I also believe it would help speed healing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've found that not only do these metals in the brain change the electrical
> > > > > charge and rate of
> > > > > neuron firing, but it truly is inflammatory, such as with cytokines.
> > > > >
> > > > > Take a look at some of the links below. (A large part of my problem was caused
> > > >
> > > > > by inhaling through the nose mercury vapor from having a filling drilled and
> > > > > improperly removed. I didn't learn till too late that this causes it to go
> > > > > directly to the brain, and I would've been better off breathing through my
> > > > >mouth
> > > > >
> > > > > had I known.) These first couple links talk about that pathway, and going in
> > > > >not
> > > > >
> > > > > just through the regular routes, but the nerve pathways as well. -
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/02/gis-brains-fried-by-military-dispensed-nose-candy/
> > > > >/
> > > > >
> > > > > Radioactive uranium that is inhaled by soldiers on the battlefield and by
> > > > > workers in factories may bypass the brain's protective barrier by following
> > > > > nerves from the nose directly to the brain.
> > > > > Nerves can act as a unique conduit, carrying inhaled uranium from the nose
> > > > > directly to the brain, finds a study with rats. Once in the brain, the uranium
> > > >
> > > > > may affect task and decision-related types of thinking.
> > > > > This study provides yet another example of how some substances can use the
> > > > > olfactory system â€" bypassing the brain's protective blood barrier â€" to go
> > > > > directly to the brain. Titanium nanoparticles and the metals manganese, nickel,
> > > > >
> > > > > and thallium have been shown to reach the brain using the same route.
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/nanoparticles-damage-brain-cells/
> > > > >/
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally, to determine if TiO2 exposure caused chemical changes in the brain,
> > > > >the
> > > > >
> > > > > authors measured levels of certain molecules called cytokines that indicate
> > > > > increased inflammation and cell stress.
> > > > > ======
> > > > > http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/burning.html 
> > > > > burning brain, finding a good dentist, detox. (Marie's story is a bit similar
> > > > >to
> > > > >
> > > > > mine.)
> > > > > ========
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/autism/vit-D-and-brain.shtml 
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Both the brain and the blood of autistic individuals show evidence of
> > > > >ongoing
> > > > >
> > > > > chronic inflammation and oxidative stress. That is, the autistic disease
> > > > >process
> > > > >
> > > > > is progressive and probably increasingly destructive. If this ongoing
> > > > > inflammation could be interrupted, the symptoms might improve. Hope for a
> > > > > vitamin D treatment effect lies in activated vitamin D's powerful
> > > > > anti-inflammatory properties. Its administration decreases production of
> > > > > inflammatory cytokines in the brain, which have consistently been associated
> > > > > with brain impairment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides reducing inflammatory cytokines, vitamin D does one more thing: it
> > > > > increases concentrations of glutathioneâ€"the brain's master antioxidant. ...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Vitamin D's role in increasing glutathione levels may explain the link
> > > > > between mercury and other heavy metals, oxidative stress, and autism. For
> > > > > example, activated vitamin D lessens heavy metal induced oxidative injuries in
> > > >
> > > > > rat brain. The primary route for brain toxicity of most heavy metals is through
> > > > >
> > > > > depletion of glutathione...
> > > > > ---------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone gets into trying a combination of antiinflammatories, please keep
> > > > > track of your combination, approx. doses, and let us all know!
> > > > >
> > > > > I also found a couple months back that the amino acid glycine is
> > > > > antiinflammatory to the hippocampus - short term memory, and mine surely needs
> > > >
> > > > > help, but I have to figure a good dose.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also GABA - good article here on that, and it does make me feel calmer:
> > > > >http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2989138/gaba_supplement_and_the_blood_brain.html?cat=5
> > > > >5
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Glucocorticoids help close the blood brain barrier, and has anyone been on
> > > > >these
> > > > >
> > > > > and noticed a difference, (cortizone allergy shot for instance) or nsaids even?
> > > > >
> > > > > Natural alternatives I think would be better, but GC's are a starting place to
> > > >
> > > > > close what is opened by emf.
> > > > > www.physoc.org/publications/pn/issuepdf/61/34-35.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2788610/important_differences_between_synthetic.html?cat=71
> > > > >1
> > > > >
> > > > > Important Differences Between Synthetic and Natural Glucocorticoids
> > > > >
> > > > > What else do any of you use for inflammation?
> > > > > I also use bromelain and yucca, besides vit. D, gaba, and now the glycine, and
> > > >
> > > > > histidine.I just need to figure out a dose/combination I think.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~ Snoshoe
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