>> -is you tent a complete enclosure?
>> -what is it made of?
>> -is the tent grounded?
>
> I bought that tent because it was in stock in a shop closeby, here are
> details:
> http://www.coleman.eu/p-23135-celsius8482-compact.aspx
>
> There's an inner tent and an outer tent. The tent is made of polyester the
> bottom is made of nylon.
>
> I haven't specifically grounded the tent, although it probably is in a
> way, because the poles are stuck in the ground and these 2 long metal
> poles are there for the structure of the roof of the tent (otherwise the
> tent would collapse of course).
>
> Regards grounding the only thing which matters is what the material is on
> the bottom of the tent. The nylon is quite thin and probably conducts some
> of the earth energy, which is why it works partially as a grounding when I
> lay in the tent (without sleeping bag or mattress).
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>> Thank you for this information. I am very curious about this.
>> Can you tell us:
>> -is you tent a complete enclosure?
>> -what is it made of?
>> -is the tent grounded?
>>
>> Emil
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:23 PM
>> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>>
>>
>> > The whole point of bringing sth into the tent like a laptop emitting a
>> > lot
>> > of low freq. emf (3-4 voltages) is that you can easily see the
>> > difference
>> > when grounded and when not grounded...
>> >
>> > Anyway esp. for you I still did more measurements with no emf, that
>> > prove
>> > the same thing!
>> >
>> >> 1-
>> >> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not
>> >> grounded?
>> >
>> > There is not much low freq. emf there (it's in a mini-forest) so the
>> > voltage is always low (whether I'm grounded or not).
>> >
>> >
>> >> 2-
>> >> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
>> >> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
>> >> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without
>> >> electronics, and without the tent.
>> >> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
>> >
>> > Well if I measure myself next to the tent with barefoot touching the
>> > soil
>> > I meausure 0.0 mVolt.
>> >
>> > Next to the tent this time wearing my shoes I measure 0.3 mVolt.
>> >
>> > By the way the 0.03 mVolt from previous post was actually a typing
>> > mistake, my meter isn't that accurate! The 0.03 mVolt in the tent on
>> > sleeping bag was actually 0.3 mVolt!
>> >
>> > So... Whether I'm having a laptop in my hand or no emf at all I seem to
>> > have the same results when I'm in the tent on sleeping bag as when I'm
>> > wearing shoes next to the tent... In both situations I'm ungrounded...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In [hidden email], "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Two points:
>> >>
>> >> 1-
>> >> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not
>> >> grounded?
>> >>
>> >> 2-
>> >> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
>> >> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
>> >> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without
>> >> electronics, and without the tent.
>> >> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Emil DeToffol
>> >> Less EMF Inc.
>> >> +1-518-432-1550
>> >> lessemf@
>> >> www.lessemf.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
>> >> To: <[hidden email]>
>> >> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:29 PM
>> >> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I've measured myself without laptop or any electronics:
>> >> > in tent laying on sleeping bag: +/- 0.03 mVolt
>> >> >
>> >> > Bringing the laptop into the tent was my test to measure how well
>> >> > I'm
>> >> > actually grounded in the tent.
>> >> >
>> >> > I measure the same 3-4 Volts when close to the laptop inside my
>> >> > house
>> >> > (ungrounded) or inside the tent laying on
>> >> > sleeping bag or mattress.
>> >> >
>> >> > I think the results show that when you're on a sleeping bag or
>> >> > mattress
>> >> > in a tent you're not grounded at all...
>> >> >
>> >> > Stephen.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think the problem is bringing the laptop into the tent.
>> >> >> What are your readings inside the tent with no electronics inside?
>> >> >> Of course, a strong MAGNETIC field outside and nearby the tent is
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> a good
>> >> >> idea either.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Emil
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
>> >> >> To: <[hidden email]>
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 PM
>> >> >> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than
>> >> >> answers)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > In the meantime I've installed my tent.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > tent
>> >> >> > I'm partially grounded.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric
>> >> >> > grid)
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded
>> >> >> > bio-voltmeter. I
>> >> >> > was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Approximately 3-4 Volts:
>> >> >> > -inside house
>> >> >> > -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
>> >> >> > -laying on mattress only in tent
>> >> >> > -laying on duvet only in tent
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
>> >> >> > -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
>> >> >> > -barefeet directly on soil
>> >> >> > -touching soil with one finger
>> >> >> > -touching grounding rod
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> > want
>> >> >> > to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must
>> >> >> > say
>> >> >> > that's
>> >> >> > quite uncomfortable and coldish!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Could be different results for different materials. But with the
>> >> >> > sleeping
>> >> >> > bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > grounding purposes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > linked
>> >> >> > with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > that it
>> >> >> > doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already),
>> >> >> > which is
>> >> >> > better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > emf
>> >> >> > like an antenna)...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Stephen.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> >> >> > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really
>> >> >> >> good...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be
>> >> >> >> blocked
>> >> >> >> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Stephen.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> >> >> >> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different
>> >> >> >> > activities:
>> >> >> >> > barefoot walking in forest
>> >> >> >> > sitting with barefeet in mud
>> >> >> >> > grounded cable attach to body
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems
>> >> >> >> > like I
>> >> >> >> > benefit from it too.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And
>> >> >> >> > Diane in
>> >> >> >> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Stephen.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@>
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only
>> >> >> >> > > very
>> >> >> >> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do
>> >> >> >> > > more
>> >> >> >> > > in that
>> >> >> >> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
>> >> >> >> > > North-American
>> >> >> >> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Rixta
>> >> >> >> > > > Hi Rixta,
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
>> >> >> >> > > > Two thoughts here:
>> >> >> >> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are
>> >> >> >> > > > still
>> >> >> >> > > > exposed
>> >> >> >> > > > to
>> >> >> >> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also
>> >> >> >> > > > gives
>> >> >> >> > > > no
>> >> >> >> > > > clue about
>> >> >> >> > > > what caused the symptoms.
>> >> >> >> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should
>> >> >> >> > > > pursue
>> >> >> >> > > > grounding as
>> >> >> >> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > Emil
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> >> >> >> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
>> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
>> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected
>> >> >> >> > > >> that to
>> >> >> >> > > >> basic
>> >> >> >> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground.
>> >> >> >> > > >> After
>> >> >> >> > > >> getting
>> >> >> >> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I
>> >> >> >> > > >> started
>> >> >> >> > > >> to
>> >> >> >> > > >> feel
>> >> >> >> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant
>> >> >> >> > > >> to
>> >> >> >> > > >> be
>> >> >> >> > > >> attributed
>> >> >> >> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
>> >> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> >> > > >> Rixta
>> >> >> >> > > >>> Need more information:
>> >> >> >> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
>> >> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> Emil
>> >> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
>> >> >> >> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> >> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> >> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> some
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> simple
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> measures
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right.
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> But to
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> know
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> surprise
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> the EMF
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> less
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> than
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> readings,
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> but I
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> don't
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> convinced I
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> have
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> because I
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> also
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> old
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> living
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> environment.
>> >> >> >> > > >>>>
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> quite
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> confused.
>> >> >> >> > > >>>>
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> Regards,
>> >> >> >> > > >>>> Rixta
>> >> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> ------------------------------------
>> >> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>> >> >> >> > > >>>
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>> >> >> >> > > >> --
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>> >> >> >> > > >>
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>> >> >> >> > > --
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>> >> >> >> > >
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