>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Thank you for this information. I am very curious about this.
> Can you tell us:
> -is you tent a complete enclosure?
> -what is it made of?
> -is the tent grounded?
>
> Emil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>
>
> > The whole point of bringing sth into the tent like a laptop emitting a lot
> > of low freq. emf (3-4 voltages) is that you can easily see the difference
> > when grounded and when not grounded...
> >
> > Anyway esp. for you I still did more measurements with no emf, that prove
> > the same thing!
> >
> >> 1-
> >> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not
> >> grounded?
> >
> > There is not much low freq. emf there (it's in a mini-forest) so the
> > voltage is always low (whether I'm grounded or not).
> >
> >
> >> 2-
> >> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
> >> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
> >> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without
> >> electronics, and without the tent.
> >> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
> >
> > Well if I measure myself next to the tent with barefoot touching the soil
> > I meausure 0.0 mVolt.
> >
> > Next to the tent this time wearing my shoes I measure 0.3 mVolt.
> >
> > By the way the 0.03 mVolt from previous post was actually a typing
> > mistake, my meter isn't that accurate! The 0.03 mVolt in the tent on
> > sleeping bag was actually 0.3 mVolt!
> >
> > So... Whether I'm having a laptop in my hand or no emf at all I seem to
> > have the same results when I'm in the tent on sleeping bag as when I'm
> > wearing shoes next to the tent... In both situations I'm ungrounded...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Two points:
> >>
> >> 1-
> >> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not
> >> grounded?
> >>
> >> 2-
> >> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
> >> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
> >> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without
> >> electronics, and without the tent.
> >> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Emil DeToffol
> >> Less EMF Inc.
> >> +1-518-432-1550
> >> lessemf@
> >> www.lessemf.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:29 PM
> >> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
> >>
> >>
> >> > I've measured myself without laptop or any electronics:
> >> > in tent laying on sleeping bag: +/- 0.03 mVolt
> >> >
> >> > Bringing the laptop into the tent was my test to measure how well I'm
> >> > actually grounded in the tent.
> >> >
> >> > I measure the same 3-4 Volts when close to the laptop inside my house
> >> > (ungrounded) or inside the tent laying on
> >> > sleeping bag or mattress.
> >> >
> >> > I think the results show that when you're on a sleeping bag or mattress
> >> > in a tent you're not grounded at all...
> >> >
> >> > Stephen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I think the problem is bringing the laptop into the tent.
> >> >> What are your readings inside the tent with no electronics inside?
> >> >> Of course, a strong MAGNETIC field outside and nearby the tent is not
> >> >> a good
> >> >> idea either.
> >> >>
> >> >> Emil
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 PM
> >> >> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > In the meantime I've installed my tent.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of the
> >> >> > tent
> >> >> > I'm partially grounded.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric grid)
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded
> >> >> > bio-voltmeter. I
> >> >> > was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Approximately 3-4 Volts:
> >> >> > -inside house
> >> >> > -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
> >> >> > -laying on mattress only in tent
> >> >> > -laying on duvet only in tent
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
> >> >> > -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
> >> >> > -barefeet directly on soil
> >> >> > -touching soil with one finger
> >> >> > -touching grounding rod
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if you
> >> >> > want
> >> >> > to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must say
> >> >> > that's
> >> >> > quite uncomfortable and coldish!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Could be different results for different materials. But with the
> >> >> > sleeping
> >> >> > bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent for
> >> >> > grounding purposes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would be
> >> >> > linked
> >> >> > with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping in
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent is
> >> >> > that it
> >> >> > doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already),
> >> >> > which is
> >> >> > better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot of
> >> >> > emf
> >> >> > like an antenna)...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Stephen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> >> >> > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really
> >> >> >> good...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be
> >> >> >> blocked
> >> >> >> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Stephen.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> >> >> >> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different
> >> >> >> > activities:
> >> >> >> > barefoot walking in forest
> >> >> >> > sitting with barefeet in mud
> >> >> >> > grounded cable attach to body
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems
> >> >> >> > like I
> >> >> >> > benefit from it too.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And
> >> >> >> > Diane in
> >> >> >> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Stephen.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only
> >> >> >> > > very
> >> >> >> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more
> >> >> >> > > in that
> >> >> >> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
> >> >> >> > > North-American
> >> >> >> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Rixta
> >> >> >> > > > Hi Rixta,
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
> >> >> >> > > > Two thoughts here:
> >> >> >> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still
> >> >> >> > > > exposed
> >> >> >> > > > to
> >> >> >> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives
> >> >> >> > > > no
> >> >> >> > > > clue about
> >> >> >> > > > what caused the symptoms.
> >> >> >> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
> >> >> >> > > > grounding as
> >> >> >> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Emil
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> >> >> >> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected
> >> >> >> > > >> that to
> >> >> >> > > >> basic
> >> >> >> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground.
> >> >> >> > > >> After
> >> >> >> > > >> getting
> >> >> >> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started
> >> >> >> > > >> to
> >> >> >> > > >> feel
> >> >> >> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to
> >> >> >> > > >> be
> >> >> >> > > >> attributed
> >> >> >> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> > > >> Rixta
> >> >> >> > > >>> Need more information:
> >> >> >> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
> >> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> >> > > >>> Emil
> >> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> >> >> >> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
> >> >> >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> >> >> >> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> >> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some
> >> >> >> > > >>>> simple
> >> >> >> > > >>>> measures
> >> >> >> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right.
> >> >> >> > > >>>> But to
> >> >> >> > > >>>> know
> >> >> >> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big
> >> >> >> > > >>>> surprise
> >> >> >> > > >>>> the EMF
> >> >> >> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less
> >> >> >> > > >>>> than
> >> >> >> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
> >> >> >> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings,
> >> >> >> > > >>>> but I
> >> >> >> > > >>>> don't
> >> >> >> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
> >> >> >> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still
> >> >> >> > > >>>> convinced I
> >> >> >> > > >>>> have
> >> >> >> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me
> >> >> >> > > >>>> because I
> >> >> >> > > >>>> also
> >> >> >> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old
> >> >> >> > > >>>> living
> >> >> >> > > >>>> environment.
> >> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> >> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm
> >> >> >> > > >>>> quite
> >> >> >> > > >>>> confused.
> >> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> >> > > >>>> Regards,
> >> >> >> > > >>>> Rixta
> >> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> >> > > >>> ------------------------------------
> >> >> >> > > >>>
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> >> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> >> > > >> --
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> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> > > >>
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