> The whole point of bringing sth into the tent like a laptop emitting a lot
> of low freq. emf (3-4 voltages) is that you can easily see the difference
> when grounded and when not grounded...
>
> Anyway esp. for you I still did more measurements with no emf, that prove
> the same thing!
>
>> 1-
>> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not
>> grounded?
>
> There is not much low freq. emf there (it's in a mini-forest) so the
> voltage is always low (whether I'm grounded or not).
>
>
>> 2-
>> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
>> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
>> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without
>> electronics, and without the tent.
>> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
>
> Well if I measure myself next to the tent with barefoot touching the soil
> I meausure 0.0 mVolt.
>
> Next to the tent this time wearing my shoes I measure 0.3 mVolt.
>
> By the way the 0.03 mVolt from previous post was actually a typing
> mistake, my meter isn't that accurate! The 0.03 mVolt in the tent on
> sleeping bag was actually 0.3 mVolt!
>
> So... Whether I'm having a laptop in my hand or no emf at all I seem to
> have the same results when I'm in the tent on sleeping bag as when I'm
> wearing shoes next to the tent... In both situations I'm ungrounded...
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@...> wrote:
>>
>> Two points:
>>
>> 1-
>> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not
>> grounded?
>>
>> 2-
>> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
>> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
>> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without
>> electronics, and without the tent.
>> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Emil DeToffol
>> Less EMF Inc.
>> +1-518-432-1550
>> lessemf@...
>> www.lessemf.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:29 PM
>> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>>
>>
>> > I've measured myself without laptop or any electronics:
>> > in tent laying on sleeping bag: +/- 0.03 mVolt
>> >
>> > Bringing the laptop into the tent was my test to measure how well I'm
>> > actually grounded in the tent.
>> >
>> > I measure the same 3-4 Volts when close to the laptop inside my house
>> > (ungrounded) or inside the tent laying on
>> > sleeping bag or mattress.
>> >
>> > I think the results show that when you're on a sleeping bag or mattress
>> > in a tent you're not grounded at all...
>> >
>> > Stephen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think the problem is bringing the laptop into the tent.
>> >> What are your readings inside the tent with no electronics inside?
>> >> Of course, a strong MAGNETIC field outside and nearby the tent is not
>> >> a good
>> >> idea either.
>> >>
>> >> Emil
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
>> >> To: <[hidden email]>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 PM
>> >> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > In the meantime I've installed my tent.
>> >> >
>> >> > My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
>> >> >
>> >> > When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of the
>> >> > tent
>> >> > I'm partially grounded.
>> >> >
>> >> > I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric grid)
>> >> > in
>> >> > left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded
>> >> > bio-voltmeter. I
>> >> > was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
>> >> >
>> >> > Approximately 3-4 Volts:
>> >> > -inside house
>> >> > -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
>> >> > -laying on mattress only in tent
>> >> > -laying on duvet only in tent
>> >> >
>> >> > Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
>> >> > -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
>> >> >
>> >> > Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
>> >> > -barefeet directly on soil
>> >> > -touching soil with one finger
>> >> > -touching grounding rod
>> >> >
>> >> > So...
>> >> >
>> >> > Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if you
>> >> > want
>> >> > to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must say
>> >> > that's
>> >> > quite uncomfortable and coldish!
>> >> >
>> >> > Could be different results for different materials. But with the
>> >> > sleeping
>> >> > bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent for
>> >> > grounding purposes.
>> >> >
>> >> > I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would be
>> >> > linked
>> >> > with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping in
>> >> > my
>> >> > bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent is
>> >> > that it
>> >> > doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already),
>> >> > which is
>> >> > better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot of
>> >> > emf
>> >> > like an antenna)...
>> >> >
>> >> > Stephen.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> >> > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really
>> >> >> good...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be
>> >> >> blocked
>> >> >> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stephen.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> >> >> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different
>> >> >> > activities:
>> >> >> > barefoot walking in forest
>> >> >> > sitting with barefeet in mud
>> >> >> > grounded cable attach to body
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems
>> >> >> > like I
>> >> >> > benefit from it too.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And
>> >> >> > Diane in
>> >> >> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Stephen.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only
>> >> >> > > very
>> >> >> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more
>> >> >> > > in that
>> >> >> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
>> >> >> > > North-American
>> >> >> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Rixta
>> >> >> > > > Hi Rixta,
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
>> >> >> > > > Two thoughts here:
>> >> >> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still
>> >> >> > > > exposed
>> >> >> > > > to
>> >> >> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives
>> >> >> > > > no
>> >> >> > > > clue about
>> >> >> > > > what caused the symptoms.
>> >> >> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
>> >> >> > > > grounding as
>> >> >> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Emil
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> >> >> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
>> >> >> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
>> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected
>> >> >> > > >> that to
>> >> >> > > >> basic
>> >> >> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground.
>> >> >> > > >> After
>> >> >> > > >> getting
>> >> >> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started
>> >> >> > > >> to
>> >> >> > > >> feel
>> >> >> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to
>> >> >> > > >> be
>> >> >> > > >> attributed
>> >> >> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Rixta
>> >> >> > > >>> Need more information:
>> >> >> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
>> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> > > >>> Emil
>> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> >> >> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
>> >> >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
>> >> >> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some
>> >> >> > > >>>> simple
>> >> >> > > >>>> measures
>> >> >> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right.
>> >> >> > > >>>> But to
>> >> >> > > >>>> know
>> >> >> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big
>> >> >> > > >>>> surprise
>> >> >> > > >>>> the EMF
>> >> >> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less
>> >> >> > > >>>> than
>> >> >> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
>> >> >> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings,
>> >> >> > > >>>> but I
>> >> >> > > >>>> don't
>> >> >> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
>> >> >> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still
>> >> >> > > >>>> convinced I
>> >> >> > > >>>> have
>> >> >> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me
>> >> >> > > >>>> because I
>> >> >> > > >>>> also
>> >> >> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old
>> >> >> > > >>>> living
>> >> >> > > >>>> environment.
>> >> >> > > >>>>
>> >> >> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm
>> >> >> > > >>>> quite
>> >> >> > > >>>> confused.
>> >> >> > > >>>>
>> >> >> > > >>>> Regards,
>> >> >> > > >>>> Rixta
>> >> >> > > >>>
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