>
> Two points:
>
> 1-
> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not grounded?
>
> 2-
> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without electronics, and without the tent.
> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Emil DeToffol
> Less EMF Inc.
> +1-518-432-1550
> lessemf@...
> www.lessemf.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:29 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>
>
> > I've measured myself without laptop or any electronics:
> > in tent laying on sleeping bag: +/- 0.03 mVolt
> >
> > Bringing the laptop into the tent was my test to measure how well I'm actually grounded in the tent.
> >
> > I measure the same 3-4 Volts when close to the laptop inside my house (ungrounded) or inside the tent laying on
> > sleeping bag or mattress.
> >
> > I think the results show that when you're on a sleeping bag or mattress in a tent you're not grounded at all...
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think the problem is bringing the laptop into the tent.
> >> What are your readings inside the tent with no electronics inside?
> >> Of course, a strong MAGNETIC field outside and nearby the tent is not a good
> >> idea either.
> >>
> >> Emil
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 PM
> >> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
> >>
> >>
> >> > In the meantime I've installed my tent.
> >> >
> >> > My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
> >> >
> >> > When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of the tent
> >> > I'm partially grounded.
> >> >
> >> > I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric grid) in
> >> > left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded bio-voltmeter. I
> >> > was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
> >> >
> >> > Approximately 3-4 Volts:
> >> > -inside house
> >> > -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
> >> > -laying on mattress only in tent
> >> > -laying on duvet only in tent
> >> >
> >> > Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
> >> > -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
> >> >
> >> > Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
> >> > -barefeet directly on soil
> >> > -touching soil with one finger
> >> > -touching grounding rod
> >> >
> >> > So...
> >> >
> >> > Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if you want
> >> > to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must say that's
> >> > quite uncomfortable and coldish!
> >> >
> >> > Could be different results for different materials. But with the sleeping
> >> > bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent for
> >> > grounding purposes.
> >> >
> >> > I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would be linked
> >> > with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping in my
> >> > bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent is that it
> >> > doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already), which is
> >> > better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot of emf
> >> > like an antenna)...
> >> >
> >> > Stephen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> >> > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really good...
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be blocked
> >> >> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
> >> >>
> >> >> Stephen.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> >> >> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
> >> >> > barefoot walking in forest
> >> >> > sitting with barefeet in mud
> >> >> > grounded cable attach to body
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I
> >> >> > benefit from it too.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in
> >> >> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Stephen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
> >> >> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
> >> >> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
> >> >> > > North-American
> >> >> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Rixta
> >> >> > > > Hi Rixta,
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
> >> >> > > > Two thoughts here:
> >> >> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed
> >> >> > > > to
> >> >> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no
> >> >> > > > clue about
> >> >> > > > what caused the symptoms.
> >> >> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
> >> >> > > > grounding as
> >> >> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Emil
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> >> >> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
> >> >> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to
> >> >> > > >> basic
> >> >> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After
> >> >> > > >> getting
> >> >> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to
> >> >> > > >> feel
> >> >> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be
> >> >> > > >> attributed
> >> >> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Rixta
> >> >> > > >>> Need more information:
> >> >> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Emil
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> >> >> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
> >> >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> >> >> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple
> >> >> > > >>>> measures
> >> >> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to
> >> >> > > >>>> know
> >> >> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise
> >> >> > > >>>> the EMF
> >> >> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than
> >> >> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
> >> >> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I
> >> >> > > >>>> don't
> >> >> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
> >> >> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I
> >> >> > > >>>> have
> >> >> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I
> >> >> > > >>>> also
> >> >> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
> >> >> > > >>>> environment.
> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite
> >> >> > > >>>> confused.
> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> > > >>>> Regards,
> >> >> > > >>>> Rixta
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> ------------------------------------
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> >> >> > > --
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