> I've measured myself without laptop or any electronics:
> in tent laying on sleeping bag: +/- 0.03 mVolt
>
> Bringing the laptop into the tent was my test to measure how well I'm actually grounded in the tent.
>
> I measure the same 3-4 Volts when close to the laptop inside my house (ungrounded) or inside the tent laying on
> sleeping bag or mattress.
>
> I think the results show that when you're on a sleeping bag or mattress in a tent you're not grounded at all...
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@...> wrote:
>>
>> I think the problem is bringing the laptop into the tent.
>> What are your readings inside the tent with no electronics inside?
>> Of course, a strong MAGNETIC field outside and nearby the tent is not a good
>> idea either.
>>
>> Emil
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 PM
>> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>>
>>
>> > In the meantime I've installed my tent.
>> >
>> > My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
>> >
>> > When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of the tent
>> > I'm partially grounded.
>> >
>> > I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric grid) in
>> > left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded bio-voltmeter. I
>> > was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
>> >
>> > Approximately 3-4 Volts:
>> > -inside house
>> > -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
>> > -laying on mattress only in tent
>> > -laying on duvet only in tent
>> >
>> > Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
>> > -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
>> >
>> > Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
>> > -barefeet directly on soil
>> > -touching soil with one finger
>> > -touching grounding rod
>> >
>> > So...
>> >
>> > Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if you want
>> > to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must say that's
>> > quite uncomfortable and coldish!
>> >
>> > Could be different results for different materials. But with the sleeping
>> > bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent for
>> > grounding purposes.
>> >
>> > I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would be linked
>> > with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping in my
>> > bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent is that it
>> > doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already), which is
>> > better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot of emf
>> > like an antenna)...
>> >
>> > Stephen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really good...
>> >>
>> >> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be blocked
>> >> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
>> >>
>> >> Stephen.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> >> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
>> >> > barefoot walking in forest
>> >> > sitting with barefeet in mud
>> >> > grounded cable attach to body
>> >> >
>> >> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I
>> >> > benefit from it too.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in
>> >> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
>> >> >
>> >> > Stephen.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
>> >> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
>> >> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
>> >> > > North-American
>> >> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Rixta
>> >> > > > Hi Rixta,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
>> >> > > > Two thoughts here:
>> >> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no
>> >> > > > clue about
>> >> > > > what caused the symptoms.
>> >> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
>> >> > > > grounding as
>> >> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Emil
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> >> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
>> >> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to
>> >> > > >> basic
>> >> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After
>> >> > > >> getting
>> >> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to
>> >> > > >> feel
>> >> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be
>> >> > > >> attributed
>> >> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Rixta
>> >> > > >>> Need more information:
>> >> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> Emil
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> >> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
>> >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
>> >> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple
>> >> > > >>>> measures
>> >> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to
>> >> > > >>>> know
>> >> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise
>> >> > > >>>> the EMF
>> >> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than
>> >> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
>> >> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I
>> >> > > >>>> don't
>> >> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
>> >> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I
>> >> > > >>>> have
>> >> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I
>> >> > > >>>> also
>> >> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
>> >> > > >>>> environment.
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite
>> >> > > >>>> confused.
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> Regards,
>> >> > > >>>> Rixta
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