Posted by Jomega on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/Traveller-s-protection-from-Pulsing-Microwaves-with-Naturell-tp1554645p1554704.html

Ah! Thanks for that link!

(http://www.shieldextrading.net/woven_fabrics.htm )

 

I see they do other products too.

 

Zell is not much more expensive, but has a much more impressive performance
claim:

SHIELDING EFFECTIVENESS: Average 90db from 30Mhz to 10Ghz

(whereas Tulle is only: Shielding Effectiveness: Average >60db from 30 MHz
to 3 GHz)

 

I wonder if anyone has experience with Zell?? (one of its stated
applications is shielding tents)

 

 

Thanks for clarifying the 8Ghz basic rf meter. It looks very good, though
still it goes down to only .02 V/m (20 mV/m); which is indeed more sensitive
than MW1 (standard), but my MW1 patched with thick silver foil is very much
more sensitive than standard and probably does go down to the 0.01 – 0.02
V/m claimed.

 

Yet, I know that’s not enough for me. At that rate I can just about pick up
next door’s DECT near our party wall (semi-detached) but no way does it
register one floor up and two rooms across where I sleep - yet I clearly
get sleep problems such as heart arrhythmias and concentration/focus issues
during day which stop me from working. I would like to be able measure this
silent menace too (though next door have thankfully switched off their DECT
for an Orchid DECT instead).

 

And much lower levels than that is their WiFi. My patched MW1 can detect it
up to about 3 or 4 metres away in their house. Our party wall is another 2
meters, so in our house there’s no way MW1 is able pick up their WiFi
several more metres into our house – yet we KNOW it’s affecting us: a) we
can feel a slight tingling in our scalp as if hair is starting to stand up
on end and 2) I can’t work for many hours anywhere in our house without
suffering disorientation and inability to work (since I work from home this
is a problem! I retreat to my caravan on the drive which seems relatively
well protected and I feel fine in it)

 

I was suffering from a false sense of security at NOT being able to detect
these lower levels with my patched MW1, and so am still keen to be able to
measure them.

 

Does anyone know of more sensitive meters around (and not hugely expensive -
$499 for 8Ghz RF is about limit!)

 

I should add that our house is new and lined with aluminum foil back cavity
insulation – this makes it like a microwave oven, so these low intensity
signals are bouncing around and almost certainly multiplying their effect
from all directions, but MW1 is one direction only (more or less) and so may
be missing out on these cumulative reflections, so the 8Ghz RF Meter may
well pick this up as it’s 3-axis (‘isotropic’)

 

Yes, DECT’s a no-no! When I had to retreat from city hotel room I thought
B&B would be great – I went around several in countryside and, of course,
they ALL had DECT – hence my blissful night in the car in the middle of the
fields instead!

And yes, lower floors are GOOD as they are less in line with masts.

 

When you say you still have to get out of the tent, do you mean that so much
gets through that it’s too uncomfortable to stay in? If so, what do you do
then? Is it actually better out of the tent with all its reflections going
on inside?

 

I still find it incredible that we even have to have this conversation! But
thanks for your help again

 

John

Cornwall UK

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
emraware
Sent: 28 June 2010 14:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves (with
Naturell?)

 

 

Hi John,

The performance figures for the Tulle cloth are at:
http://www.shieldextrading.net/woven_fabrics.htm
For some reason, they separate it from the actual store website.

The Cornet meter on less emf, is actually called 8 GHZ BASIC RF METER
http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html. The Basic RF meter is also nice, but
for a smaller range of frequencies (up to 3 GHz). I wouldn't recommend
these for professional use, but it's pretty good for personal use, to
get a pretty good idea of your exposure. It's very sensitive-- even
when the electrosmog detector gives silent white noise, I can
distinguish between differing levels.

Mast transmissions go through both wooden walls and windows without
reflective coating/window film-- some materials shield better than
others.

It depends-- in some situations, it's sufficient to put on the curtains
(one direction). In other situations (microwave on all directions),
then something like a Faraday cage is better. With the meter, you can
test to see what works. Yes, DECT in the neighboring room would still
be considered "near". I try to avoid DECT as much as possible. Nearby
sources can dominate over external sources b/c of their proximity. If
the cell tower radiation is too high, the cloth may not be enough-- I
usually choose a room on a lower floor if the cell tower is towards the
roof. On higher floors, it's more difficult because you still have to
get out of the tent...

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Jamieson" <john@...> wrote: (can't find
> a supplier over here).
>
> It's so helpful to have your feedback about resistance to DECT etc
from
> personal experience. There's nothing on the site (that I've
found) about
> actual performance figures, etc., which makes it very confusing/
uncertain.
>
>
>
> Do you feel that nearby mast transmissions simply don't go through
the walls
> then? I guess that depends on the walls and how near the mast is. Yes,
I
> think some form of self-supporting mosquito net arrangement might be
best as
> a) it's predictable to set up and b) it can completely surround
you. Do you
> think that it should be completely enclosed, faraday style? And would
you
> have the bottom of it under or on top of the mattress?
>
>
>
> AH, I get you're point about getting hot in a sleeping bag,
especially as I
> like very cool air at night!
>
>
>
> Interesting about waves `getting through' and then bouncing
around inside! I
> don't think I would be too near sources, but then what's too
near? If a DECT
> base is in the same house – say another room below, that seems
pretty near
> to me!
>
>
>
> Also, I agree about scouting the hotel if you can first, I do that
with my
> MW1 Electrosmog Detector to get to know least saturated areas, but
I'd love
> to have meter that really measures down to the levels I know already
affect
> me.
>
> There's to be a replacement for my MW1 (currently down to 0.02v/m
aprrox
> with foil patch) that's supposed to go down to 0.01v/m, but
I'm sure that
> even that's not enough and suspect ten times more sensitivity is
required –
> do you know a good meter that goes down to 0.001v/m (0.0025 µW/m2
??), plus
> up to 10Ghz, since they often go to less than 3Ghz, which I believe
would
> not pick up our WiMax networks now(?)
>
> I couldn't find a `Cornet' meter at lessemf :( - is that
very sensitive? [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
> emraware
> Sent: 25 June 2010 03:44
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves
(with 60 transparent...
> The thermal qualities make it bearable both in summer and winter.
>
> ***Note the cloth is mainly helpful for low radiation (cordless
phones, meter
> to check the hotel's outside and inside. If not too bad, find the best
> floor using a meter like the Cornet meter (from lessemf.com), and use
it
> to give location preferences (e.g., lower floor) when checking in.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
> McAfee amcafeerr@ wrote:
> >
> > I have found that having shielding fabric directly on my skin is not
a
> > good thing. The fabric is resonating with the radiation and is
> > conducted directly onto the body and burns (fries the 1st level of
the
> > aura).
> > I find having it farther away from the body is a better solution.
For
> > outside, a tent would be a better solution than a sleeping bag or
> > clothing.
> >
> > Now, I am traveling to CA on some F---ing planes and through some
F--- F--- of So protection
> > > right up
> > > to the 6Ghz plus range (unlike Bobinet, for instance)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, I thought I could simply make a sheet sleeping bag with
Naturell
> > > sown
> > > around the outside and with some kind of hood for the head, and so
> > > protect
> > > myself at night in a hotel from the major part of the pulsing
> > > microwaves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Further, it seems quite a soft material and I could make some
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