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emraware on
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Hi John,
The performance figures for the Tulle cloth are at:
http://www.shieldextrading.net/woven_fabrics.htmFor some reason, they separate it from the actual store website.
The Cornet meter on less emf, is actually called 8 GHZ BASIC RF METER
http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html. The Basic RF meter is also nice, but
for a smaller range of frequencies (up to 3 GHz). I wouldn't recommend
these for professional use, but it's pretty good for personal use, to
get a pretty good idea of your exposure. It's very sensitive-- even
when the electrosmog detector gives silent white noise, I can
distinguish between differing levels.
Mast transmissions go through both wooden walls and windows without
reflective coating/window film-- some materials shield better than
others.
It depends-- in some situations, it's sufficient to put on the curtains
(one direction). In other situations (microwave on all directions),
then something like a Faraday cage is better. With the meter, you can
test to see what works. Yes, DECT in the neighboring room would still
be considered "near". I try to avoid DECT as much as possible. Nearby
sources can dominate over external sources b/c of their proximity. If
the cell tower radiation is too high, the cloth may not be enough-- I
usually choose a room on a lower floor if the cell tower is towards the
roof. On higher floors, it's more difficult because you still have to
get out of the tent...
--- In
[hidden email], "John Jamieson" <john@...> wrote:
>
> Hi emraware
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for all this very useful info.
>
>
>
> I have emailed the store about shipping the Tulle 60" to the UK
(can't find
> a supplier over here).
>
> It's so helpful to have your feedback about resistance to DECT etc
from
> personal experience. There's nothing on the site (that I've
found) about
> actual performance figures, etc., which makes it very confusing/
uncertain.
>
>
>
> Do you feel that nearby mast transmissions simply don't go through
the walls
> then? I guess that depends on the walls and how near the mast is. Yes,
I
> think some form of self-supporting mosquito net arrangement might be
best as
> a) it's predictable to set up and b) it can completely surround
you. Do you
> think that it should be completely enclosed, faraday style? And would
you
> have the bottom of it under or on top of the mattress?
>
>
>
> AH, I get you're point about getting hot in a sleeping bag,
especially as I
> like very cool air at night!
>
>
>
> Interesting about waves `getting through' and then bouncing
around inside! I
> don't think I would be too near sources, but then what's too
near? If a DECT
> base is in the same house say another room below, that seems
pretty near
> to me!
>
>
>
> Also, I agree about scouting the hotel if you can first, I do that
with my
> MW1 Electrosmog Detector to get to know least saturated areas, but
I'd love
> to have meter that really measures down to the levels I know already
affect
> me.
>
> There's to be a replacement for my MW1 (currently down to 0.02v/m
aprrox
> with foil patch) that's supposed to go down to 0.01v/m, but
I'm sure that
> even that's not enough and suspect ten times more sensitivity is
required
> do you know a good meter that goes down to 0.001v/m (0.0025 µW/m2
??), plus
> up to 10Ghz, since they often go to less than 3Ghz, which I believe
would
> not pick up our WiMax networks now(?)
>
> I couldn't find a `Cornet' meter at lessemf :( - is that
very sensitive?
Of
> emraware
> Sent: 25 June 2010 03:44
> To:
[hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves
(with
> Naturell?)
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi John
>
> I can relate to your situation, since I have had to travel a lot for
> work. I have tried Naturell before. In my opinion, it was not
> protective enough for my needs for cordless phones/cell towers-- they
> leaked thru according to the electrosmog detector. I would instead
> recommend a stronger dB protection factor. I personally prefer Tulle
60
> dB fabric from
http://store.fine-silver-productsnet.com (from
> shieldextrading.net), based in the US though. (The clothes from this
> store, however, weren't strong enough in dB factor, the DECT cordless
> radiation also went through it. I had someone sew something out of
> Tulle fabric instead.) BTW, If you get Tulle, make sure to confirm
> it's 5 feet, because they gave me 4 foot once.
>
> If the radiation is solely external, I have had much success by just
> pinning the Tulle cloth to the window curtain using plastic hanger
> clips, which I can set up in < 5 minutes. However, you should get as
> much of the window as you can-- no leaks... If the radiation, however,
> is both internal & external, I need to make sure the hotel room has 4
> places I can hook the cloth onto, or use tape. Sometimes I move around
> lamps/chairs around to hook onto, if necessary. I suppose you could
> make a mosquito net out of it...
>
> I agree with Andrew that tent is preferred over sleeping bag. As a
> sleeping bag, it can get pretty hot, as the cloth is also thermally
> reflective, and the radiation in the air might also contribute to it.
> I do, however, think wearing the cloth is okay. I wear a vest
> sandwiched between 2 cotton shirts on a day-to-day basis, and when I
> drive alone, drape the cloth over my head. It's slightly
transparent...
> The thermal qualities make it bearable both in summer and winter.
>
> ***Note the cloth is mainly helpful for low radiation (cordless
phones,
> cell towers, and distant cell phones). However, nearby cell phones
> could make things worse if their radiation penetrates through and
> bounces around. inside.
>
> More suggestions:
> (1) Try taking a multi-vitamin during travel.
> (2) Choose your hotel. Ask about Cordless/Wi-Fi in advance. Check cell
> tower maps like cellreception.com/antennasearch.com (UK probably has
> something similar)
> (3) If you have the opportunity/time to book on the spot, bring a
meter
> to check the hotel's outside and inside. If not too bad, find the best
> floor using a meter like the Cornet meter (from lessemf.com), and use
it
> to give location preferences (e.g., lower floor) when checking in.
>
> --- In
[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
> McAfee amcafeerr@ wrote:
> >
> > I have found that having shielding fabric directly on my skin is not
a
> > good thing. The fabric is resonating with the radiation and is
> > conducted directly onto the body and burns (fries the 1st level of
the
> > aura).
> > I find having it farther away from the body is a better solution.
For
> > outside, a tent would be a better solution than a sleeping bag or
> > clothing.
> >
> > Now, I am traveling to CA on some F---ing planes and through some
F---
> > ing airports. I called ahead to try to get them to turn off cell
> > phones in the fuselage like SouthWest Airlines has done in the past,
> > but American Airlines is now requiring me to have a doctors note
> > saying "I am fit to travel!" @#$%*: (
> >
> > I have ordered an EMF jacket from LessEMF.com and also have a lead
> > radiation hat that I wear sometimes and various silver mesh cloths
> > that I will drape around me as necessary (scary looking).
> >
> > I'll let you know how it goes with Wi-Fi and cell phones inside a
F---
> > ing airplane.
> >
> > Good luck with your travels!
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Jun 24, 2010, at 11:16 AM, John Jamieson wrote:
> >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I need to be able to travel again for work.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To give you an idea of how sensitive I currently am, I'm
> sensitive
> > > enough to
> > > be progressively disabled (start to get pains, lose balance, heart
> > > problems)
> > > by next door's old DECT (now, been replaced by an Orchid!) and
> their
> > > WiFi
> > > slowly makes me lose concentration and focus if I stay in it all
> day.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I went to Bristol recently on work and was booked into Premier Inn
> > > in the
> > > centre. As soon as I drove in I could begin to feel the onslaught
of
> > > microwaves, my Electrosmog Dectector MW1 was going mad picking up
> > > all the
> > > signals and just about the whole city was in saturation cover in
> > > microwaves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > By the end of the working day I was exhausted and couldn't bear
> my
> > > hotel
> > > room which was being blasted from several directions, it seemed.
So
> > > I drove
> > > into the countryside and slept in the car overnight and,
> > > discomfort aside,
> > > was blissfully refreshed again by morning.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So I've been thinking of what to do next time I'm
> travelling, when
> > > it may
> > > not be so easy to escape at night.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's my idea and I'd be VERY interested in what you think
> of it,
> > > or any
> > > other ideas you may have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Naturell (
http://www.electrosmogshielding.co.uk/product.asp?
> > > P_ID=481 ) looks
> > > like a very effective cotton based fabric that keeps its
protection
> > > right up
> > > to the 6Ghz plus range (unlike Bobinet, for instance)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, I thought I could simply make a sheet sleeping bag with
Naturell
> > > sown
> > > around the outside and with some kind of hood for the head, and so
> > > protect
> > > myself at night in a hotel from the major part of the pulsing
> > > microwaves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Further, it seems quite a soft material and I could make some
basic
> > > underclothes/long johns to wear while at work to reduce exposure
> > > considerably.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's very well priced at £65 per metre (2.5m wide it
> works out at
> > > just £26
> > > per square metre)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any experience with this material, or could
> recommend
> > > another instead, or another solution to travellers challenge?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > PS from:
> > >
> > >
>
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> > > * Used for shielding large surfaces (walls and windows) from high
> > > frequency electromagnetic waves (microwaves)
> > > * Unmatched shielding characteristics
> > > * 99 %ñ 99.9 % effective in shielding RF, 200MHz to 10GHz
> > > * Shields cell towers, cordless phones, security systems, wireless
> > > computer gear and more
> > > * Smooth, sheer fabric, easy to work with, washable
> > > * Designed and manufactured in Switzerland
> > > * Ideal for curtains to shield windows or bed canopies
> > >
> > > WARNING: Swiss Shield Naturell reflects high frequency
> > > electromagnetic waves
> > > and is not externally conductive, therefore it must not and cannot
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