Re: Can anyone tell me what do to next?

Posted by stephen_vandevijvere on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/Can-anyone-tell-me-what-do-to-next-tp1554184p1554206.html

Hey Ian,

About the different sources of emf,

I think all sources of emf harm us in some way... Just a good thing we are not extremely sensitive to all of them!

2 years ago I was "this" close to renting a house close to the woods, really great place there, quiet, good location, no cell phone masts closeby...

Later, accidentally, I found out that 1.5 miles further there was a gigantic radio station. Maybe Charles knows what I'm talking about, it is called "De Gulke Putten" (Aalter/Wingene/Ruiselede). This is located in Flanders/Belgium/Europe.

That radio station is focused on "maritime services" and is sending low/radio frequencies worldwide... They've told me most radio communication anywhere in the world between ships goes via that radio station... In the 2nd world war they were also used for military purposes... I think it's a radio station, one of the most important in Europe...

Anyway, I would've thought I wasn't gonna get harmed by these signals, the house was 1.5 miles away from it... Then I started testing to stay for 0.5-1 mile away from the masts, I did that 3 times and each time I got a headache...

Then I stayed for 2 hours with the landlords from whom I was gonna rent that house. They lived 1 mile from the masts and there my headache returned and I felt almost immediately better when driving elsewhere... Then I was really sure I wasn't imagining anything, I concluded that I just have to stay out of there!

I don't think there are that many radio masts that emit so much emf... And then again, to some emf I seem to be extremely sensitive... most of you guys would be fine there probably...

So in the end I didn't rent that house! I stayed in different bed & breakfasts for 6 months longer, until I rented something else, low-emf...

gr,
Stephen.




--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks Mark for sharing your very interesting letter. I'd query one thing -
> when you refer to "radio waves", I believe the frequencies involved with
> cellphones etc are actually microwaves (can some of the electrical experts
> in the group confirm this?). It's important to distinguish, as radio waves
> usually don't harm anyone, even most ES people, but microwaves certainly
> affect ES people. They are both in the electromagnetic spectrum but radio
> waves have much longer wavelength, lower frequency and hence carry lower
> energy and do much less damage.
>  
> Very interesting resulting discussion about the "9-10 pm" effect and adrenal
> fatigue. Again, lots of ES people seem to have the latter. The other
> possible explanation might be if cellphone use drops off sharply in the
> evening? (I'm just guessing here).
>  
> Marc correctly reminds us that the vast majority of ES sufferers seem to
> have significant chemical sensitivities as well (usually linked to a
> compromised immune system). Is that also true of you Mark?
>  
> Ian
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Cheryl Griffing
> Sent: 07 June 2010 08:24
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?
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>
>  
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I read your entire letter and was very fascinated by it. You brought up so
> many interesting points. It really got my interest when you said you feel
> better after 9-10 pm as I have been saying this about myself for quite a
> long time! I end up staying up so late at night because after suffering all
> day I finally feel better! You too? Please let me know if you find out any
> additional info on this "9-10 pm" thing.
>
> Thanks so much for sharing your letter.
>
> Cheryl
>
> --- On Sun, 6/6/10, markkuether <markkuether@...
> <mailto:markkuether%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
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> From: markkuether <markkuether@... <mailto:markkuether%40yahoo.com> >
> Subject: [eSens] Can anyone tell me what do to next?
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:44 PM
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>  
>
> I recently sent this letter to my Doctor before our visit so he could have
> the best information for our visit.
>
> I would definitely appreciate any input any of you have as well.
>
> Thanks
>
> Greetings Dr Z.
>
> I am sending this fax to you to outline my current problem so we can make
> the most out of my visit scheduled Tuesday morning. I have had a serious
> debilitating condition for the last 9 months. Nearly three years ago, you
> and I had a previous session, and I was having some issues with what I
> recall referring to as tension type headaches. Fortunately at that time,
> that problem disappeared on its own. I had just moved back from Florida and
> perhaps being back in Wisconsin alleviated my problem. Unfortunately the
> disappearance seemed to be only temporary. I am having a similar but
> different problem again and it's difficult for me to treat because I find
> the cause to be electromagnetic sensitivity.
>
> First, I understand the rare nature of this phenomenon. I am sure many
> experts would consider it does not exist, but nevertheless, I find I have
> the symptoms of this unusual problem. My symptoms started when I moved to
> Madison from Manitowoc in August of 2009. I started having some unusual type
> of Tension headaches that got worse when I would be working, which was at
> Sears in Madison. In particular, my tension (as well as tingling, and
> jumpiness) would get worse when the fans in the building would turn on in
> the morning but my problem would get much, much better when the fans shut
> off about a half hour before the store closed. I observed this every day for
> over 4 months.
>
> However, it is not as simple as this. Over time I found that when I drove
> away from the Madison area, I would also feel much better as I headed toward
> the Manitowoc area on Hwy 151. I particularly felt better after I reached
> Columbus. My head got an immediate relief consisting of less tension, less
> pressure, being able to think more clearly, concentrate better, etc.
> Unfortunately the reverse was also true, and still is. When I drive to
> Madison, when I reach the Columbus area I start to feel that additional
> tension and tingling in the head accompanied by a difficulty concentrating
> and overall jumpy uneasiness.
>
> I seriously began to wonder what is causing this. Strangely enough, many
> times I was in the middle of the countryside in Dane County, with very
> little around me (farm fields, etc) and I still feel awful. Yet when I get
> away from that area and back in Manitowoc County (or Sheboygan County) I
> feel much better. So I began to consider what could be affecting me therein
> the middle of the country that is not present in the middle of the country
> in Manitowoc County? That is when I considered radio waves.
>
> I looked at various coverage maps of some of the new signals that are being
> broadcast today and discovered the AT&T 3G coverage map is virtually
> identical to the areas of Wisconsin where I have been having problems. AT&T
> 3G is a new type of cell phone wave.
>
> As far as addressing this problem, I have tried my best to find a solution.
> Protecting myself with various types of fabrics that block these types of
> radio waves has not been very successful, as it's hard to determine the
> point of entry as to where problem is entering and affecting the body.
>
> I don't know how to find a "cure" for the problem, as it is not completely
> understood. The reason I am seeing you about this is because I believe the
> best course of action is to address the physical handicaps this problem has
> created for me. I have thought, researched, and meditated hard on what
> exactly these types of information carrying radio waves are doing to me
> physically. I have a few theories but first let me share with you everything
> that DOES give me relief (at least at some point).
>
> Removing myself from the exposure - Certainly this gives me the greatest
> relief as I can remove myself from these waves by moving to a different
> location. For example, there is 3G coverage in Appleton. If I drive out of
> that area to the countryside of Manitowoc County where this is no such
> waves, I feel great.
>
> Nighttime - I often feel a sense of great relief at night. For example, I
> was visiting family in Madison over the weekend. I felt awful during the day
> but around 9 or 10pm I started to feel great relief, almost as if the
> problem disappears. I am curious if something in the body is changing at
> night, (perhaps lower blood pressure?) or if something in the environmentis
> changing such as less radio waves.
>
> Tilting my head down - when I turn my head face down, I very often feel
> better. I ask myself why. The ideas that come to my mind are either I am
> turning my face away from whatever radio waves are impacting me, or the
> muscles in my neck are pulling in a different way that take pressure of some
> nerves that may be affected by this phenomenon.
>
> Lying down - Often when I lie down I feel some relief. Not sure why. Maybe
> the blood pressure is different; maybe my head is tilted in a different way
> as I explained above. Maybe other muscles become relaxed.
>
> Waking up - when I wake up, I am fine for a few moments, but if I am in a
> "hot zone" then I feel the effects after I get up. I am not sure if this
> relief is due to sleeping or due to lying down at the time before rising in
> the morning.
>
> Raising my arms- just recently (Saturday) I was in Madison for a wedding and
> I noticed that when I would raise my arms above my head, I would start to
> feel relief as well. Could there be a change in blood pressure in my head
> when I do this? Note I was taking aspirin at the time as well.
>
> Touching my hand to my face - When I take my hand and touch to the area of
> my face near or around the nose, I do feel a sense of relief very often. I
> don't even have to be pressing very hard. Could there be some stimulationof
> the nerves in this region that is somehow blocking out my other feelings?
> Could the Maxillary Nerve be the one that is being affected by the radio
> waves in the first place?
>
> Turning my head side to side - this gives similar relief to tilting my head
> down.
>
> Going indoors - When I am inside I tend to feel a lot better, but not
> perfect.
>
> I realize this is a lot of very detailed self-diagnosing information. This
> is due to a lot of my attention focusing on how to handle this for the last
> 9 months. I have seen a primary care physician for this, but it was earlier
> on and I did not understand the condition as much as I do now.
>
> Again, my goal for our visit is to try and address the physical handicaps
> caused by my situation. Something seems to be happening in regards to my
> head. My pain I believe is caused by nerves, muscle, or blood pressures in
> the head. My hope is that we can systematically address each these
> possibilities and any others that you may have.
>
> This condition has been a major source of frustration for me. I have moved
> and changed jobs because of this problem. I cannot emphasize enough that I
> must I must I must feel like I am making progress on this problem. More
> 3G-network coverage is popping up all over the place, which severely limits
> where I am able to live and work comfortably. The only feasible solution I
> see is if not to solve the problem, to address the handicaps I am dealing
> with. I sincerely hope you will help me do that, and if at anytime you feel
> someone special may be especially qualified at treating my symptoms, I will
> consider any recommendations you may have.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Kuether
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