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URL: https://www.es-forum.com/Neurotransmitters-dopamine-etc-tp1552930p1553031.html
Hi Snoshoe,
I am SOOO behind in my email and I have to be off the computer for the nextweek, so incase I don't get to answer your other recent emails to me, knowI really appreciate your sending all those links and info! I just have no time for awhile to read it! ;) Like you--I have to work on the computer in spurts, even tho I now have no problems with being on the computer. (I have too much going on in my life right now and add a holiday and anniversary party into the mix and I am really swamped. lol)
Re cellular wall integrity..... Due to the tight junction permeability which I have (due to celiac genes and damage/other gene(s), I personally appear to leak calcium into cells, Snoshoe. (Thanks again for reminding me about the taurine last year, btw--I couldn't remember where my notes were and knew I needed an amino acid to go with the manganese. You saved me weeks in searching! I bless you everytime I take it. lol)
When I began taking manganese and taurine last year, it was because I had done extensive searching on how to close tjs. My docs know so little on channelopathy that they just told me there was nothing to do for it. Period--don't even ask.... ;) I figured there was, if I really checked it out. Finally I found an obscure research paperwhich mentioned a study on rabbits in which they used manganese and taurine to get tjs which were stuck open to close. (Like you, I have ahabit of losing my sites and haven't seen the study since! I was so sure I had saved it, but I had to "restore" my operating system just after, and I suspect it didn't restore that site!)
I am very cautious in taking the manganese and taurine and only use it once or twice a week, often even less if I am not going anywhere the emfs are high. But it DOES seem to make a difference with my calcium leaking problem! I used to have instant reactions (esp autonomic nervous system symptoms) around emfs. That has been much better with the manganese and taurine. You copied an excerpt from a site which mentions tjs NOT opening--some of mine don't appear to close and that is what I suspect the manganese is working to do--closethe tjs. My understanding (not that it is necessarily always correct!) is that, due to the tjs *not* closing, calcium floods the cell and I do not have the ability to maintain proper electrolyte balance, especially in the presence of emfs, which are known to affect tj permeability. I have read that this gene, which is responsible for allowing this celiac tj/BBB damage (referred to as the tight junction
permeability gene--sorry Bill Bruno, I still haven't had time to look intoits true genetic description), is thought to be present in 22 to 24% of the population. So that *could* (not necessarily, but potentially) meanthat many people could have leaky tjs which *could* react like this, or ina similarly abnormal way.
Hope to read all your interesting sites soon! Take care, Snoshoe,
Diane
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Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc.
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Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 8:04 PM
Here's one, I just found, haven't even read it through, but it looks promising, info. wise -
Electromagnetic fields, the modulation of brain tissue functions
— A possible paradigm shift in biology
www.emrpolicy. org/science/ forum/adey_ encneuro_ emfs.pdf
It looks, at least on this end, like some of my links got messed up in sending, adding extra spaces, etc., but I've been getting added A's showing up in my messages lately too, so maybe it's a yahoo glitch? Sorry about that.
I think the calcium, and magnesium will be what is more important in cellular wall integrity, where it is the potassium/sodium in and out flow throughthe cells that is also part of our problems -
"Voltage-gated sodium channels open (activate) when the membrane is depolarized and close on repolarization (deactivate) but also on continuing depolarization by a process termed inactivation, which leaves the channel refractory, i.e., unable to open again for a period of time. In the "classical" fast inactivation, this time is of the millisecond range, but it can last much longer (up to seconds) in a different slow type of inactivation. "
http://www.ionchann els.org/showabst ract.php? pmid=16183913
~ Snoshoe
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> Hi Evie
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> Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells? Ithought ion channels would be affected somehow, but
> have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves.
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> Thanks
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> Kooky
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> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
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> > Hi, Snoshoe,
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> > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately. We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searches are impeccable. :) You are a fount of great info! ;)Â
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> > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today:
> > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affectcalcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME."
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> > So, Stephen! Here is a good website to read on that subject! And it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure.
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> > Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your frustration lol),
> > Diane
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> > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@> wrote:
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> > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc.
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM
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> > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawalsymptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts.
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> > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important.
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> > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It wasinteresting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part:
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> > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitorshave been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease."
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B
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http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters.
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http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed
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> > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement -
http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html
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> > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet?
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http://lifeenergies .com/ --
> > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption,on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairmentis consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus.
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> > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call"....
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> > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cellmembranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body'snatural antioxidents.
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> > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME.
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> > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC.
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> > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME.
> > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. )
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> > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emf listings -
http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]= content
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