Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc.

Posted by furstc0404-2 on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/Neurotransmitters-dopamine-etc-tp1552930p1552963.html


Hi Diane

Many thanks for all the links, lots of reading to do!!!

I had two bad days of EMF/ES, was my fault though.

Kooky



--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

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> Kooky,
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> I notice I wrote I did not read every study--I meant I haven't exhausted research in this area.  I have read all the sites/studies I sent you.  Also, forgot to include them, but I sent 3 sites last week to Snoshoe, on blood polarity/BBB/tight junctions.
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> Diane
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> --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
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> From: Evie <evie15422@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc.
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> Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 12:58 PM
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> Hi, Kooky,
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> Well here are some:
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> http://www.es- uk.info/index. asp  If memory serves, I got some research study info here
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> http://www.nap. edu/catalog. php?record_ id=12036# toc  At this site, there is info on where the author of this book got HIS info--click on "references" .  You can then google these studies.
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> http://www.whatisli fe.com/reader2/ membrane_ bioelectricity. htm  Abackground informational site it get up to speed on what you are reading in medical research abstracts
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> http://www.scienced irect.com/ science?_ ob=ArticleURL& _udi=B94RW- 4V466X8-P& _user=10& _coverDate= 03%2F31%2F2003& _rdoc=1&_ fmt=high&_orig=search& _sort=d&_ docanchor= &view=c&_ acct=C000050221& _version= 1&_urlVersion= 0&_userid= 10&md5=dfe46007f d90d463475b887af98a0ed1
> This is all one site address.  You will have to copy and paste the lines into your address window.  Remove any spaces between any of the lettering/character s.  ALSO, what I do is save one site, then I also read ALL the related articles listed in the margin at the right of the main page.  Now understand I am sending you ALL of my tj/ion channel sites--the individual sites do not have necessarily any bearing on ES/CFS/etc.  I began saving sites 2 or 3 years ago, to keep abreast on what was happening in ion channelopathy studies and tight junction research.  I have not likely read every study, but I have read alot of them.  Many I also did not save.  But they are in no particular order and no one study is likely more important to ES/CFS than another--the sites are all mixed up.  I did not catalogue these.
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> http://psychology. wikia.com/ wiki/Category: Electrophysiolog y
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> http://ajpheart. physiology. org/cgi/content/ full/289/ 2/H738
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> http://jcs.biologis ts.org/cgi/ reprint/jcs. 02631v1.pdf
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> http://www.microwav enews.com/   I think I found some info on this site; if there is actual info on microwaves causing ion channel damage,I'd think it would be here
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> http://neuromuscula r.wustl.edu/ mother/chan. html   Huge amount of info here;  I did not save any of these individually.
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> http://www.children shospital. org/dream/ summer2003/ body.html   Very good site to read; not an abstract, just information on research put in laymen's terms
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> http://www.jneuroin flammation. com/content/ 5/1/12  Site is more about damaged BBB and caffeine's (good) affects on it, but a good read  No ion channel info
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> http://www.whatisli fe.com/reader2/ therapeutics- reader.htm  Another background info site  Explains various channels and what diseases stem from them
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> http://www.plosbiol ogy.org/article/ info:doi/ 10.1371/journal. pbio.0020070
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> http://pats. atsjournals. org/cgi/content/ full/1/1/ 38
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> http://www.aboutmec fs.org/Rsrch/ NeurologicalChan nelopathy. aspx  You can take the references here and search those for a whole new bunch of applicable sites.
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> http://www.aboutmec fs.org/Rsrch/ NeurologicalChan nelopathy. aspx 
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> http://opal. msu.montana. edu/cftr/ IonChannelPrimer s/beginners4. htm  Another info primer for the beginner
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> http://community. livejournal. com/migraines/ 821342.html  About 1- 1 1/2" down page, it will explain how migraines figure into channelopathy
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> http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez   You can enter "channelopathy" , "tight junctions", ""ion channel(s)", and other related termsin the search window here and come up with gobs of studies. 
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> http://www.ionchann els.org/literatu re.php   Same here; gobs of studies and info. 
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> http://jgp.rupress. org/cgi/content/ full/130/ 1/1
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> http://www.kosmix. com/topic/ Ion_channel   I noticed "timothy syndrome" is the featured article there today.  It causes calcium influx into cells
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> http://physrev. physiology. org/cgi/content/ abstract/ 83/1/117
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> http://www.ionchann els.org/showabst ract.php? pmid=8784819
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> http://www.stirwand sdirect.com/ pdf/understandin g-hydration_ long.pdf  about aqua porin channels
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> http://jn.physiolog y.org/cgi/ content/full/ 94/2/1287
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> http://www.therionr esearch.com/ database/ neurological. html  multiple articles
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> http://www.meresear ch.org.uk/ information/ researchdbase/ ResearchPublicat ions2004. pdf
> I threw this in for you, Kooky--database of all ME research in the UK by year.  Dr Chaudhuri is the main doctor researching ME/ion channelopathy, but you probably know this and might also already know this site.
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> http://www.the- scientist. com/article/ display/14022/
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> http://www.ionchann els.org/showcita tionlist. php?keyword= sodium+channel+ mutants
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> http://pediatrics. aappublications. org/cgi/content/ full/116/ 2/e303  about emfs and children
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> Took awhile, but this should get you started!  ;)  I have a fewmore scribbled on notes various places; when you are finished with these Ican send more.
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> Take care; ENJOY!!  ;)
> Diane
> --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <furstc0404@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc.
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:32 PM
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> HI Diane
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> Yes, yes, please. If you could send me all the info you have, will sift through. I will spend more time researching on this now.
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> I was very interested also in what Snoshoe wrote about the "Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME."
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> There is no doubt it is also some type of toxicity, reducing glutathione,SOD etc...
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> Thanks for that.
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> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
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> > I've gotta get off line and make dinner.  I don't have any more specific info than the info Snoshoe sent here, most likely--I mean I can send you my search materials--about 100 medical research sites to read--Idon't keep more than notes tho as to specifics.  You would haveto sift thru it yourself--do you want the sites?  No problem, but I can't send today; will try to soon.  The sites will not have specifics for microwaves; the sites explain how ion channels and tjs work.  Unfortunately, I have not found specific to ES info like that.  It makes sense, tho, that ion channelsare affected by microwaves.  And that is how/why I got interested in this subject.
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> > Btw, Bill Bruno--I was the one who mentioned the tj permeability gene, discovered by Marios Hadjivassilious of the UK, 2006ish.  You want the name of the gene?  Don't have it but could probably find it.  Again, not today. 
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> > Bye for now,
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> > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <furstc0404@ ...> wrote:
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> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc.
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:07 PM
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> > Hi Evie
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> > Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells?I thought ion channels would be affected somehow, but
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> > Thanks
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> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
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> > > Hi, Snoshoe,
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> > > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately.  We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searches  are impeccable.  :)  You are a fount of great info!  ;) 
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> > > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today:
> > > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found inpeople with CFS/ME."
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> > > So, Stephen!  Here is a good website to read on that subject!  And it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure.
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> > > Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your frustration  lol),
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> > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> wrote:
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> > > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc.
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM
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> > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawal symptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts.
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> > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, orchemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the sameeffects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies,ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important.
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> > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It was interesting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part:
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> > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinicallyrelevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitors have been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B
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> > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quicklittle example on neurotransmitters.
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> > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed
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> > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html
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> > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet?
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> > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ --
> > > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwavesnon-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption, on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairment is consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus.
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> > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call"....
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> > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cell membranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body's natural antioxidents.
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> > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME.
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> > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine withdecreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC.
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> > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME.
> > > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholinereceptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. )
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> > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some ofemf listings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]= content
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