Posted by
Ian Kemp on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/MOULD-and-ES-tp1551395p1551488.html
Hi Minni - very interesting history, sorry for the late reply as I've ben
away for Christmas with no internet connection.
It goes to show again that it is not "one size fits all" with ES (and MCS),
different groups of people have different sets of symptoms.
There are lots of people with MCS who do not have ES - it seems to need a
trigger event or a particular sensitivity to get the latter. There are not
many in my experience with ES who do not have some level of MCS - the
exceptions seem to be people who have had a very long term high-level
exposure to EMR.
Would be interested to know how your ES began and developed.
It certainly sounds from your experience with chelation that your problem
doesn't seem to be related to heavy metals etc. It's still possible that
it's liver related (maybe one specific chemical or gene missing) even if
standard detox methods haven't worked, as they are a bit of a blunt
instrument.
Ian
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Sent: 21 December 2009 21:36
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Subject: [eSens] Re: MOULD and ES
For the record, re: Mold & ES:
Some background:
Approx. 2 years ago, I'd been at a IV chelation clinic. (btw, even after 11
expensive treatments of diSodium EDTA, I didn't feel better, nor did
replacement of 17 mercury amalgam fillings, at an expensive Huggins
certified dentist, nor did a zillion subsequent detox avenues help).
Anyway:
Due to my sensitivity to bright lights, I was sharing a separate room with
another woman who'd been mold toxified and who'd been seeing an
environmental doctor who'd been trained by Dr.Rea.
For her benefit, they'd turned on an air purifier in the room.
For my benefit, they'd turned off the lights in the room.
My point:
The mold-toxified woman did NOT require the fluresent turned off.
I did require the flur. turned off.
And she was WAY more chem.sensitive than me.
She even detected my mild underarm deoderant.
I myself am chem. sensitive to perfume/alcohol & alot more.
But NOT to the degree she was.
Minni
--- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Ian Kemp"
<ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> And even for standard, less toxic moulds, many people who are MCS as well
as
> ES (i.e. damaged immune system) react badly to moulds, even if their MCS
or
> allergies are fairly mild.
> Ian
>
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> From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of Bill
> Bruno
> Sent: 20 December 2009 04:12
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: Re: [eSens] MOULD and ES
>
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> Mold has neurotoxins. Some strains are considered
> lethal.
>
> The moisture problem must be solved. If it is toxic
> mold (which can be tested) professional removal
> and remediation is worth it.
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Helen Murphy <helenmurphybb@
> <mailto:helenmurphybb%40gmail.com> gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > Below is a snippet of a product that is from Germany and available here
in
> > Australia under the name LIVOS, which I believe the German company is
> > called
> > too.
> >
> > This extract is from a pdf passed along to me by the Australian company
> and
> > it also contains before and after photos of it in use.
> >
> > You may wish to look them up.
> >
> > Cheers, Helen (Oz)
> >
> > FUNGIVER Mould and Mildew Remover # 1780
> > The new innovation for the treatment of mould and fungus.
> > The new active substance: Peroxicarbonconnections, formed from the
> > available
> > oxygen and fruit acids.
> > The effect: Much stronger than each mould fungus spore.
> > 1. Peroxidation/Disruption of the cell membrane.
> > 2. Oxidation of Anti-oxidation substances oxygen catchers.
> > 3. Oxidation of (Organic Thiole points have an Intensive unpleasant
> smell).
> > 4. Enzyme inhibition.
> > 5. Oxidation of nucleus.
> > 6. Overloading of the energy balance.
> > 7. Destruction of the protein synthesis.
> > 8. Complete cell destruction/death of cell.
> > Identified in the mould fungus cell
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:31 AM, <paulpjc@aol.
<mailto:paulpjc%40aol.com>
> com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any problems with mould, recently I have been
reacting
> > > very badly to my Dads house whgich due to long term damp from a
leaking
> > > flat
> > > roof smells mouldy although I cant see the stuff only in cupboards, I
> can
> > > sure smell it, in fact if my dad wears a jacket that he has hung in
the
> > > hall
> > > it nearly knocks me over, any one elese experienced this, I am upset
as
> I
> > > went to his house for only 40 mins to try to fix his washing machine
and
> > > later that night got a sore throat and wheezy chest which has now
> > devloped
> > > into a cough and itchy top inside my chest !!! what can be done to
kill
> > the
> > >
> > > mould off ?
> > >
> > > paul uk
> > >
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> > >
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> >
> > --
> > Helen A Murphy
> >
> > Environomics.com.au
> > 0448 877 384
> > 03 9372 3217
> >
> >
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