> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:33 AM
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> Hi Cheryl,
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> I think it can cut both ways. If you have severe heavy
> metal poisoning it
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> can run down other parts of the body including liver and
> adrenals.
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> Conversely, if the liver, adrenals and immune system are
> already weak, the
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> body can start reacting to modest levels of chemicals,
> heavy metals, EMF
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> etc. I think the second is more common, but that's
> just gut feel.
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> Generally it seems to me as if our bodies are amazingly
> tolerant and robust,
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> and it takes several things together to give problems.
> Standard "liver
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> cleansing supplements" may help and should certainly
> do no harm (except to
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> your pocket). However, if you're eating a healthy
> diet, taking lots of
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> supplements but are still seriously ill or going downhill,
> then there must
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> surely be some other major underlying root cause (gut,
> liver, mercury etc).
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> Finding it is the difficult bit - which is chicken and
> which is egg.
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> My wife Sue reacted badly to having 4 small mercury
> fillings removed and
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> developed MCS and ES soon after. However, the amount
> involved was quite
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> small and would probably not have been a problem if she
> hadn't already been
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> ill from undiagnosed liver and gut problems. Also low
> thyroid, which may
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> have been a consequence rather than a cause. Standard liver
> supplements
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> hadn't been enough - more concentrated treatment was
> needed and has helped
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> her significantly, so that the ES is manageable and MCS
> only a problem if
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> she gets a sudden high exposure.
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> Ian
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> _____
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> From: eSens@yahoogroups.
> com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.
> com] On Behalf Of
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> Cheryl Griffing
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> Sent: 15 November 2009 07:37
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> To: eSens@yahoogroups.
> com
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> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
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> Hi Ian,
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> What you wrote was of extreme interest to me since I have
> suffered from
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> metal poisoning and have adrenal fatigue. However, I do
> have a question. How
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> exactly do the two relate? Does the strain put on the liver
> from the metal
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> poisoning cause the adrenal fatigue? If so then would
> taking liver cleansing
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> supplements aid in adrenal function?
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> I used chelation in the past when I had the metal poisoning
> quite severely;
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> was weak, could hardly get out of bed some days, and only
> in my mid 30's at
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> that time. The chelation, taken orally, did exhaust me at
> times but in the
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> long run was helpful as I felt as though I may have died
> without it as I was
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> so very ill back then. I just wish I knew then what I know
> now!
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> Thanks,
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> Cheryl
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> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
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> <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
> ukgateway.net> wrote:
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> From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.
> kemp%40ukgateway .net>
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> ukgateway.net>
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> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
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> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups.
> com> com
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> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 5:08 PM
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> Hi Amy,
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> I'd strongly support what Marc says about being careful
> with chelation.
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> Often, heavy metals have become a problem and caused the
> symptoms because
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> the body has already been badly weakened, particularly the
> liver. Adrenal
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> fatigue is often linked to this. Often ES comes along with
> MCS, ME, chronic
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> fatigue, gut disorders and other similar problems. The snag
> is that if you
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> try to chelate while the body is still very weak, the liver
> in particular
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> may be unable to handle the heavy metals released by
> chelation and it can
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> even make things worse. Often chelation is done as part of
> more extensive
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> protocols adding other things like intravenous vitamin C or
> activated
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> charcoal to try to mop up the "nasties" which are
> released.
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> But as Marc says, it's often best to try to strengthen
> your system first, so
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> that you can cope better with chelation if it's
> necessary. The snag is that
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> the underlying causes are often different for different
> people, and so what
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> helps one person may not help another. In previous messages
> various people
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> have reported their experiences, e.g. different liver
> metabolic pathways not
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> working so that the body can't process certain
> chemicals. There's even an
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> (expensive) genetic test now which can identify missing
> liver function genes
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> (but also argument on whether anyone yet really knows how
> to interpret the
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> test). Certainly my wife Sue, who is ES, has been hugely
> helped by
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> glutathione, whereas it has negative effects on Marc; but
> there are other
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> supplements that they both benefit from. "Try it and
> see" seems the best
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> way with most of these things at the moment. So far I
> don't think anyone in
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> the world has 100% understanding of all the medical issues
> and how they
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> interact, although some doctors, people and groups are
> certainly a lot
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> further along than others.
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> Ian
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> _____
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> From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups.
> com] On Behalf Of
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> Marc
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> Martin
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> Sent: 15 November 2009 00:38
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> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
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> > Marc - What do you do to support your adrenals,
> kidneys and liver?
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> There are a variety of supplements (and foods) which will
> help various
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> organs. The specifics may vary by person depending on what
> they
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> tolerate / do well on / are willing to do / can afford.
> Also, different
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> doctors tend to prefer different brands of supplements, and
> also there
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> are things available at health food stores or online that
> are different
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> than what doctors tend to use.
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> Over the years, I've noticed that I've done well
> with a doctors brand
>
> called "Standard Process", and they make a
> variety of supplements which
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> support a variety of organs. For example:
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> Adrenals: Adrenal Desicated, Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG
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> Kidneys: Arginex, Renatrophin PMG, Renafood, Albaplex
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> Liver: Livaplex, Hepatrophin PMG, Spanish Black Radish, AF
> Betafood,
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> Betacol, Cruciferous Complete, Garlic
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> Also, to support liver detox via foods, you can try eating
> various
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> foods which support detox (depending on what you are
> willing to eat and
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> can tolerate): broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts,
> garlic, eggs,
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> kale, beets.
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> And to support the adrenals via food, make sure you are
> getting enough
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> salt (probably unrefined sea salt is best).
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> As for kidneys, drink a lot of water (preferably
> unchlorinated) .
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> > My doctor wants to do a 6 hr urine provocation heavy
> metal test and
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> > then IV chelation if I need it. I know, from testing
> as well as
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> > symptoms, that I have adrenal fatigue. I'm so
> fatigued and weak, I
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> > can't imagine getting hit with IV drugs like that.
> Are those tests
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> > safe? Are there other (less scary) things I could do
> instead?
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> There are certainly some who would say that provocation
> tests and IV
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> chelation are not safe. I personally would not do them. If
> your body
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> cannot deal with the amount of metals that are unleashed
> into your
>
> system during such a test or IV, it may end up making you
> worse, and it
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> may be difficult to get back to where you are now. There
> are alternate
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> tests which don't require provocation -- hair mineral
> tests and urine
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> porphyrin tests are the most commonly used. Also, one
> simple test for
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> heavy metals is to try a small amount of a known heavy
> metal chelator and
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> see how you feel. If have an adverse reaction, that it
> pretty much an
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> indicator of toxicity.
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> The busiest heavy metal chelation group on Yahoo that I
> know about is
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> called "adult-metal- chelation" . I view this
> group with a bit of
>
> skepticism, as most of the people all chelate using one
> specific way,
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> and they tend to badmouth other methods which seem just as
> good to me.
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> They mostly use "frequent dose chelation", which
> involves using a few
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> known heavy metal chelators (DMSA, DMPS, or Alpha Lipoic
> Acid) in small
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> amounts and at frequent intervals (every 3, 4, or 8 hours
> in 3-day
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> rounds with 2 week breaks). However, some people even have
> bad
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> reactions to this method, and may be better off trying some
> of the
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> alternatives (liquid zeolite, powdered zeolite, chlorella,
> cilantro,
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> NDF, OSR), or simply focusing on rebuilding their detox
> organs and
>
> letting their body eliminate the metals at its own rate (in
> such
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> a case, you might want to add some relatively harmless
> things
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> which will bind to toxins in your intestines -- activated
> charcoal
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> or bentonite)
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> Marc
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