Posted by Ian Kemp on
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Hi Cheryl,

I think it can cut both ways. If you have severe heavy metal poisoning it
can run down other parts of the body including liver and adrenals.
Conversely, if the liver, adrenals and immune system are already weak, the
body can start reacting to modest levels of chemicals, heavy metals, EMF
etc. I think the second is more common, but that's just gut feel.

Generally it seems to me as if our bodies are amazingly tolerant and robust,
and it takes several things together to give problems. Standard "liver
cleansing supplements" may help and should certainly do no harm (except to
your pocket). However, if you're eating a healthy diet, taking lots of
supplements but are still seriously ill or going downhill, then there must
surely be some other major underlying root cause (gut, liver, mercury etc).
Finding it is the difficult bit - which is chicken and which is egg.

My wife Sue reacted badly to having 4 small mercury fillings removed and
developed MCS and ES soon after. However, the amount involved was quite
small and would probably not have been a problem if she hadn't already been
ill from undiagnosed liver and gut problems. Also low thyroid, which may
have been a consequence rather than a cause. Standard liver supplements
hadn't been enough - more concentrated treatment was needed and has helped
her significantly, so that the ES is manageable and MCS only a problem if
she gets a sudden high exposure.

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 15 November 2009 07:37
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals




Hi Ian,

What you wrote was of extreme interest to me since I have suffered from
metal poisoning and have adrenal fatigue. However, I do have a question. How
exactly do the two relate? Does the strain put on the liver from the metal
poisoning cause the adrenal fatigue? If so then would taking liver cleansing
supplements aid in adrenal function?

I used chelation in the past when I had the metal poisoning quite severely;
was weak, could hardly get out of bed some days, and only in my mid 30's at
that time. The chelation, taken orally, did exhaust me at times but in the
long run was helpful as I felt as though I may have died without it as I was
so very ill back then. I just wish I knew then what I know now!

Thanks,

Cheryl

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
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From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 5:08 PM



Hi Amy,

I'd strongly support what Marc says about being careful with chelation.
Often, heavy metals have become a problem and caused the symptoms because
the body has already been badly weakened, particularly the liver. Adrenal
fatigue is often linked to this. Often ES comes along with MCS, ME, chronic
fatigue, gut disorders and other similar problems. The snag is that if you
try to chelate while the body is still very weak, the liver in particular
may be unable to handle the heavy metals released by chelation and it can
even make things worse. Often chelation is done as part of more extensive
protocols adding other things like intravenous vitamin C or activated
charcoal to try to mop up the "nasties" which are released.

But as Marc says, it's often best to try to strengthen your system first, so
that you can cope better with chelation if it's necessary. The snag is that
the underlying causes are often different for different people, and so what
helps one person may not help another. In previous messages various people
have reported their experiences, e.g. different liver metabolic pathways not
working so that the body can't process certain chemicals. There's even an
(expensive) genetic test now which can identify missing liver function genes
(but also argument on whether anyone yet really knows how to interpret the
test). Certainly my wife Sue, who is ES, has been hugely helped by
glutathione, whereas it has negative effects on Marc; but there are other
supplements that they both benefit from. "Try it and see" seems the best
way with most of these things at the moment. So far I don't think anyone in
the world has 100% understanding of all the medical issues and how they
interact, although some doctors, people and groups are certainly a lot
further along than others.

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Marc
Martin
Sent: 15 November 2009 00:38
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals

> Marc - What do you do to support your adrenals, kidneys and liver?

There are a variety of supplements (and foods) which will help various
organs. The specifics may vary by person depending on what they
tolerate / do well on / are willing to do / can afford. Also, different
doctors tend to prefer different brands of supplements, and also there
are things available at health food stores or online that are different
than what doctors tend to use.

Over the years, I've noticed that I've done well with a doctors brand
called "Standard Process", and they make a variety of supplements which
support a variety of organs. For example:

Adrenals: Adrenal Desicated, Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG
Kidneys: Arginex, Renatrophin PMG, Renafood, Albaplex
Liver: Livaplex, Hepatrophin PMG, Spanish Black Radish, AF Betafood,
Betacol, Cruciferous Complete, Garlic

Also, to support liver detox via foods, you can try eating various
foods which support detox (depending on what you are willing to eat and
can tolerate): broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts, garlic, eggs,
kale, beets.

And to support the adrenals via food, make sure you are getting enough
salt (probably unrefined sea salt is best).

As for kidneys, drink a lot of water (preferably unchlorinated) .

> My doctor wants to do a 6 hr urine provocation heavy metal test and
> then IV chelation if I need it. I know, from testing as well as
> symptoms, that I have adrenal fatigue. I'm so fatigued and weak, I
> can't imagine getting hit with IV drugs like that. Are those tests
> safe? Are there other (less scary) things I could do instead?

There are certainly some who would say that provocation tests and IV
chelation are not safe. I personally would not do them. If your body
cannot deal with the amount of metals that are unleashed into your
system during such a test or IV, it may end up making you worse, and it
may be difficult to get back to where you are now. There are alternate
tests which don't require provocation -- hair mineral tests and urine
porphyrin tests are the most commonly used. Also, one simple test for
heavy metals is to try a small amount of a known heavy metal chelator and
see how you feel. If have an adverse reaction, that it pretty much an
indicator of toxicity.

The busiest heavy metal chelation group on Yahoo that I know about is
called "adult-metal- chelation" . I view this group with a bit of
skepticism, as most of the people all chelate using one specific way,
and they tend to badmouth other methods which seem just as good to me.
They mostly use "frequent dose chelation", which involves using a few
known heavy metal chelators (DMSA, DMPS, or Alpha Lipoic Acid) in small
amounts and at frequent intervals (every 3, 4, or 8 hours in 3-day
rounds with 2 week breaks). However, some people even have bad
reactions to this method, and may be better off trying some of the
alternatives (liquid zeolite, powdered zeolite, chlorella, cilantro,
NDF, OSR), or simply focusing on rebuilding their detox organs and
letting their body eliminate the metals at its own rate (in such
a case, you might want to add some relatively harmless things
which will bind to toxins in your intestines -- activated charcoal
or bentonite)

Marc

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