Posted by evie15422 on
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Hi again, Amy, and Ian
 
I agree with all that Ian has said here, Amy.  It is useless to chelate until your body is strong enough to do it and your liver and lymphatic system are working fairly well.  I wrote about recovering from CFS and FM, but what I didn't tell you was it took over a decade to do it.  AndI made huge mistakes all along the way, some of those mistakes being doing things out of order and then having to address all the fall-out from that.  You need to talk over your situation with your doctor and make an overall plan.  If your doctor doesn't see this as necessary then hehas not done enough research yet.  He needs to get up to speed. 
 
I went to a very EMS knowledgeable homeopath this past winter.  He hadhis standard plan which he was going to use for me.  It didn't work--his standard plan included the "crash and burn" mentality of over-detoxing and not dealing effectively with the consequences.  Your doctor needs to be aware that that will not work for you.  It could be tho that this doctor does have a plan that deals with getting toxins out and getting you built up, but he wants tests to see what he is dealing with first.  (But it sounds like he perhaps is not realistic in the type of testing he thinks you can handle.  Some mainstream docs refuse to do hair analysisand the like.) 
 
Btw, I remember why my heavy metals test failed the first time--my metals were in my organs and bone marrow and I had to have molybdenum to leach the metals out into my blood stream so they could be measured.  This was prior to my realizing I had a molybdenum deficiency caused by my gf diet. 

Be well, dear;  I hope this doc works for you,
Diane
--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 8:08 PM


 



Hi Amy,

I'd strongly support what Marc says about being careful with chelation.
Often, heavy metals have become a problem and caused the symptoms because
the body has already been badly weakened, particularly the liver. Adrenal
fatigue is often linked to this. Often ES comes along with MCS, ME, chronic
fatigue, gut disorders and other similar problems. The snag is that if you
try to chelate while the body is still very weak, the liver in particular
may be unable to handle the heavy metals released by chelation and it can
even make things worse. Often chelation is done as part of more extensive
protocols adding other things like intravenous vitamin C or activated
charcoal to try to mop up the "nasties" which are released.

But as Marc says, it's often best to try to strengthen your system first, so
that you can cope better with chelation if it's necessary. The snag is that
the underlying causes are often different for different people, and so what
helps one person may not help another. In previous messages various people
have reported their experiences, e.g. different liver metabolic pathways not
working so that the body can't process certain chemicals. There's even an
(expensive) genetic test now which can identify missing liver function genes
(but also argument on whether anyone yet really knows how to interpret the
test). Certainly my wife Sue, who is ES, has been hugely helped by
glutathione, whereas it has negative effects on Marc; but there are other
supplements that they both benefit from. "Try it and see" seems the best
way with most of these things at the moment. So far I don't think anyone in
the world has 100% understanding of all the medical issues and how they
interact, although some doctors, people and groups are certainly a lot
further along than others.

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 15 November 2009 00:38
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals

> Marc - What do you do to support your adrenals, kidneys and liver?

There are a variety of supplements (and foods) which will help various
organs. The specifics may vary by person depending on what they
tolerate / do well on / are willing to do / can afford. Also, different
doctors tend to prefer different brands of supplements, and also there
are things available at health food stores or online that are different
than what doctors tend to use.

Over the years, I've noticed that I've done well with a doctors brand
called "Standard Process", and they make a variety of supplements which
support a variety of organs. For example:

Adrenals: Adrenal Desicated, Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG
Kidneys: Arginex, Renatrophin PMG, Renafood, Albaplex
Liver: Livaplex, Hepatrophin PMG, Spanish Black Radish, AF Betafood,
Betacol, Cruciferous Complete, Garlic

Also, to support liver detox via foods, you can try eating various
foods which support detox (depending on what you are willing to eat and
can tolerate): broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts, garlic, eggs,
kale, beets.

And to support the adrenals via food, make sure you are getting enough
salt (probably unrefined sea salt is best).

As for kidneys, drink a lot of water (preferably unchlorinated) .

> My doctor wants to do a 6 hr urine provocation heavy metal test and
> then IV chelation if I need it. I know, from testing as well as
> symptoms, that I have adrenal fatigue. I'm so fatigued and weak, I
> can't imagine getting hit with IV drugs like that. Are those tests
> safe? Are there other (less scary) things I could do instead?

There are certainly some who would say that provocation tests and IV
chelation are not safe. I personally would not do them. If your body
cannot deal with the amount of metals that are unleashed into your
system during such a test or IV, it may end up making you worse, and it
may be difficult to get back to where you are now. There are alternate
tests which don't require provocation -- hair mineral tests and urine
porphyrin tests are the most commonly used. Also, one simple test for
heavy metals is to try a small amount of a known heavy metal chelator and
see how you feel. If have an adverse reaction, that it pretty much an
indicator of toxicity.

The busiest heavy metal chelation group on Yahoo that I know about is
called "adult-metal- chelation" . I view this group with a bit of
skepticism, as most of the people all chelate using one specific way,
and they tend to badmouth other methods which seem just as good to me.
They mostly use "frequent dose chelation", which involves using a few
known heavy metal chelators (DMSA, DMPS, or Alpha Lipoic Acid) in small
amounts and at frequent intervals (every 3, 4, or 8 hours in 3-day
rounds with 2 week breaks). However, some people even have bad
reactions to this method, and may be better off trying some of the
alternatives (liquid zeolite, powdered zeolite, chlorella, cilantro,
NDF, OSR), or simply focusing on rebuilding their detox organs and
letting their body eliminate the metals at its own rate (in such
a case, you might want to add some relatively harmless things
which will bind to toxins in your intestines -- activated charcoal
or bentonite)

Marc

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