Re: Please help, desperate situation!

Posted by abailey63 on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/Please-help-desperate-situation-tp1547425p1547465.html

No offense Bruno. But I've had a lot of experience with chemists.
Particularly those that just do basic lab stuff. Most chemists don't
know squat about physics. Just ask a physicist. EMF is guess what...
primarily about physics, not chemistry. Nothing against you but your
expertise in this arena is extremely limited.

You definitely have to be skeptical about anything you try or
ingest. But in the end you have to see what works for you.

Effectively treating ES is about scientific field work, not
controlled lab experiments, again an area where most chemists are
extremely lacking in experience. And of course if you don't believe
that Environmental Sensitives exist well then that's just another
bias. Kind of like Global Warming didn't/doesn't exist... isn't
proven... etc.. etc. We all know where that one has been and is going.

If you were a field biologist I might think a little differently.
Unfortunately we cannot afford labs where we can rule out, quantify
and/or test every variable. We have to go by observation and
unfortunately symptoms. I would call this "emerging science". This is
where "field work" is still very critical.

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "Bruno M." <brunom1@...> wrote:
>
> Marc,
>
> With all respect to you, I can believe you're much better then
before, and you took or used all that stuff,
> but allot of it is useless and those scams costs allot of money,
> while people trying them, they're wasting also time before having a
meaningful treatment.
>
>
> The quantum products are a pure scam, read their Quantum byte
software explanation
> http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html
> ( if you know something of computers then you'll know they are lying
and cheating )
> If in doubt, ask your local PC guru or geek to read that stuff and
he will be ROFLOL.
> Don't waste your money on such a scumbags.
>
> And you also need no expert professors to see that Hminus is also a
big scam.
> Just ask your local pharmacist to read the ingredients, he to will
be ROFLOL.
>
http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html?nav=ingredients&SID=daec0282d3a7a3c34567c7da54b51d2d
> Main Ingredients for H-Minus™ MegaHydrate™ Microcluster™
(600 mg)
> Silica Hydride Powder Proprietary Blend: Potassium Citrate,
Silica, Potassium Carbonate, Oleic Acid,
> Hydrogen Negative Ions .
>
> You can not add "hydrogen negative ions" to a blend of powdered
other chemicals;
> there is even NO such a thing like "negative H ions"; and the other
crap has no anti-oxidant properties.
> [ Note, I'm a chemist ! ]
>
>
> The Bioray guy's are ancient well known quacks:
> http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/rife.html
> http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2001/bioray.shtml
>
> And guess what : The legit looking website of Celfood distributor
luminahealth
> is also full off bullshit, let your pharmacist read this page,
> http://www.luminahealth.com/products/cellfood.htm
> and there he'll go again ROFLOL,
> I to laughed my but off, so no need to waste your money there.
>
> And I do not trust the Seafood crap also, is it really beneficial to
swallow a mix of 93 ingredients?
> How are they interacting? How are they one by one all beneficial to you?
> Do you need all the hundreds of properties those ingredients have?
On the same time?
> Do you smell the ( rotten) fish?
>
> Primal defense ... yet an other MLM scam, no science no proof,
> although the ingredient list looks healthy, how much of those active
ingredients are in it,
> and how really active are they?
>
> It looks like MM had a preference for useless products and scams;
> mind you if those overpriced concoctions are not beneficial ( as
claimed) they still hold the potency to harm you.
>
> Please guy's don't keep fooling yourself with this crap, ( and
un-intentionally fooling newbies )

> or should we change the name of this group from Esens to Nonsens ?
>
> Grts
> Bruno M.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> At 00:41 12/10/2008, "Marc Martin" marc@... marcmartin2 wrote:
> >Re: Please help, desperate situation!
> >Posted by: "Marc Martin" marc@... marcmartin2
> >
> >
> >Welcome to the group, Joni.
> >When I was in as bad of shape as you are now, I got relief
> >from the following:
> >Quantum Power Conditioners (makes EMF more tolerable)
> >http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html
>
> >H-Minus (reduces free radical damage from EMF):
> >http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html
>
> >NDF (heavy metal removal):
> >http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/products.cfm
>
> >Cellfood (oxygenation, minerals, enzymes, energy):
> >http://www.luminahealth.com/
>
> >Sea Aloe (minerals, improved resistance to EMFs)
> >http://www.seaaloe.com/
>
> >Agrisept-L (anti-fungal, anti-parasitic)
> >http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6521
>
> >Primal Defense (probiotic, helped EMF symptoms):
>
>http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/DigestiveHealth/PrimalDefense/tabid/638/Default.apx
> >Perhaps one or more of these things would also be
> >helpful for you? Just be careful when starting
> >anything new -- you can sometimes have a strong
> >reaction to something that is really helpful,
> >and you may need to start at tiny doses and
> >ramp your way up to a more normal dose.
> >Marc
>