Re: metal does block fm radio

Posted by BiBrun on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/metal-does-block-fm-radio-tp1545429p1545458.html

I just looked at the Wiki page. One thing that is striking is how the
antenna is low to the ground
and it's important that the signal reflect off the 'ground plane'. In
contrast, an FM antenna
is high up.

I'm thinking that with the ILS etc that a lot more of the signal may travel
through the
ground. Then all your 'grounded' wires (phone, electric, water) may become
antennas.

I'm not sure if this is right, and I haven't yet an idea of what the
consequences would be...

Bill

On 10/22/07, Paul Coffman <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Here's the descriptions from wikipedia of the 2 things they have at the
> airport: ILS and VOR. Doesn't anything in these explanations stand out to
> you as being particularly problematic, moreso that a normal fm radio wave?
> For the ILS, I live near a small regional airport, so the beam is NOT
> locallized to allow for a backcourse, which means I am exposed to it:
>
> ILS:
>
> A localizer (LOC, or LLZ in Europe)
> antenna<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna_%28radio%29>
> array <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phased_array> is normally located
> beyond
> the departure end of the runway and generally consists of several pairs of
> directional antennas. Two signals are transmitted on a carrier
> frequency<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_frequency>between
> 108.10 MHz and 111.975 MHz. One is
> modulated<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation>at 90 Hz,
> the other at 150 Hz and these are transmitted from separate but
> co-located antennas. Each antenna transmits a fairly narrow beam, one
> slightly to the left of the runway centerline, the other to the right.
>
> In addition to the previously mentioned navigational signals, the
> localizer
> provides for ILS facility identification by periodically transmitting a
> 1020
> Hz morse code <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code> identification
> signal. For example, the ILS for runway 04R at John F. Kennedy
> International
> Airport <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_International_Airport
> >transmits
> IJFK to identify itself to users whereas runway 04L is known as
> IHIQ. This lets users know the facility is operating normally and that
> they
> are tuned to the correct ILS. The glideslope transmits no identification
> signal and therefore airborne ILS equipment relies on the localizer for
> identification.
>
> Modern localizer antennas are highly
> directional<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_antenna>.
> However, usage of older, less directional antennas allows a runway to have
> a
> non-precision approach called a localizer back course. This lets aircraft
> land using the signal transmitted from the back of the localizer array.
> This
> signal is reverse sensing so a pilot may have to fly opposite the needle
> indication (depending on the equipment installed in the aircraft). Highly
> directional antennas do not provide a sufficient signal to support a
> backcourse. In the United States, backcourse approaches are commonly
> associated with Category I systems at smaller airports that do not have an
> ILS on both ends of the primary runway.
>
> VOR:
>
> VORs are assigned radio channels between 108.0 MHz (megahertz) and 117.95MHz
> (with 50 kHz spacing); this is in the VHF (very high frequency) range.
>
> The VOR system uses the phase relationship between a reference-phase and a
> rotating-phase signal to encode direction. The carrier signal is
> omni-directional and contains the amplitude modulated (AM) station Morse
> code or voice identifier. The reference 30 Hz signal is frequency
> modulated
> (FM) on a 9960 Hz sub-carrier. A second, amplitude modulated (AM) 30 Hz
> signal is derived from the rotation of a directional antenna array 30
> times
> a second. Although older antennas were mechanically rotated, current
> installations are scanned electronically to achieve the same result with
> no
> moving parts. When the signal is received in the aircraft, the FM signal
> is
> decoded from the sub carrier and the frequency extracted. The two 30 Hz
> signals are then compared to determine the phase angle between them. The
> phase angle is equal to the direction from the station to the airplane, in
> degrees from local magnetic north, and is called the "radial."
>
> On 10/21/07, Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > The frequencies must be a little different. And FM is not pulsed at all,
> > the carrier just wiggles its frequency. I don't like to call the pulse
> > effects
> > information, although if we knew exactly what transduction systems were
> > being affected I might feel different about that.
> >
> >
> > On 10/21/07, Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com><pkcoff%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry, I wasn't testing this thing properly - I was using a portable
> > > radio
> > > with headphones, and when I put the headphone in the pot too then it
> was
> > > blocked. I also bought some aluminim screen wire mesh and wrapped it
> > > around
> > > it and it had the same effect. So then hypothetically if I build a
> wire
> > > mesh enclosure for my bed it should have the same effect. This is just
> > so
> > > odd - if I drive up to FM radio towers i'm not bothered much, but
> these
> > > same
> > > frequenecies at much lower power from the airport drive me crazy.
> > Someone
> > > said (Charles?) that is was the INFORMATION in the radio wave that my
> > body
> > > didnt' like - that's the only explanation I can come up with. From a
> > > scientific pov this is nuts.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Coffman
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> Paul Coffman
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