> I don't like most multivitamins and B vitamins. The theory behind D
> vitamins
> (I take rather low dose in liquid form) is that it stimulates part of
> the
> innate immune
> system. Hopefully this kills off some of the blood dwelling bacteria,
> and
> when they
> are gone the rest of the immune system can rest. Cytokines should
> then go
> down.
> Treating any infections and reducing allergens (dairy foods, wheat)
> might
> help too.
>
> For calcium I like the capsules; I break them open and sprinkle on my
> breakfast...
>
> Bill
>
> On 9/21/07, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, All,
>>
>> On the note of lymphatic overload, has anyone here ever had testing
>> for
>> cytokine production? I am just embarking on research into this area,
>> so
>> can't share any real info yet. It appears that celiacs and others who
>> have
>> many environmental sensitivities may have a communication problem in
>> their
>> immune systems where the body does not know when to shut off cytokine
>> production. (If I have understood it correctly--I don't speak medical
>> research doctor latin very well and need a medical dictionary to look
>> up
>> every other word in the medical abstracts, at this point. lol )
>>
>> At any rate, in my first search regarding this, I have found Dr
>> Cheney of
>> CFS fame is treating cytokine OVER production with immersion baths
>> (standing
>> in 80 degree F or so water up to the neck, so that the lymphatic
>> system
>> pushes cytokines and wastes back into the body--the reverse of
>> detox). The
>> reasoning here is, the body doesn't quit producing cytokines when
>> they are
>> in the lymphatic system. The body needs to realize that there are
>> already
>> more than enough cytokines and stop production, and to make it
>> realize that,
>> he is causing a loop wherein the lymphatic fluid with its cytokines
>> comes
>> back into the blood stream.
>>
>> It occurred to me that cytokines chasing relatively harmless
>> substances
>> can in itself cause lymphatic overload; not just due to the presence
>> of
>> glutens, mold, or pesticides...., but due also to the amount of immune
>> system cells in the system. It is an unending circle--the upgraded
>> immune
>> system, upon losing glutens, then finds gut bugs to chase; then
>> chemicals or
>> molds to chase when the gut bugs are killed.... For a person whose
>> immune
>> system is over-active, it never ends. There is always SOMETHING out
>> there
>> that is foreign which the body can find as "not self" to attack.
>> So....
>> might an immune system which does not communicate re how many
>> cytokines are
>> in production be a contributor to ES? Just asking in case others out
>> there
>> have already had tests for this or done research into this area. If
>> this is
>> the case, then detoxing an overloaded lymphatic system might possibly
>> add to
>> the risk to get ES! THis is just a thought I have and should not be
>> extrapolated as an
>> actual medical theory. Just asking questions here.
>>
>> Seeker of all knowledge yet unknown, ;)
>> Diane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Many people with ES find they are very sensitive to vitamin and
>>> mineral
>>> supplements, so i would suggest going easy on the dosages and work
>>> up to
>>> check your tolerance.
>>
>> Are lots of people here overly sensitive to supplements? I know that
>> I am, and there are several supplements that I have tried that I
>> simply cannot take even in small amounts due to the bad reactions
>> they provoke.
>>
>> On the other hand, I find that I can get benefits from some
>> supplements
>> at a dosage which is lower than recommended, so that's good
>> from a cost standpoint! :-)
>>
>> Marc
>>
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