Posted by evie15422 on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/Can-anyone-offer-any-advice-tp1545148p1545166.html

Hi, All,

On the note of lymphatic overload, has anyone here ever had testing for cytokine production? I am just embarking on research into this area, so can't share any real info yet. It appears that celiacs and others who have many environmental sensitivities may have a communication problem in their immune systems where the body does not know when to shut off cytokine production. (If I have understood it correctly--I don't speak medical research doctor latin very well and need a medical dictionary to look up every other word in the medical abstracts, at this point. lol )

At any rate, in my first search regarding this, I have found Dr Cheney of CFS fame is treating cytokine OVER production with immersion baths (standing in 80 degree F or so water up to the neck, so that the lymphatic system pushes cytokines and wastes back into the body--the reverse of detox). The reasoning here is, the body doesn't quit producing cytokines when they are in the lymphatic system. The body needs to realize that there are already more than enough cytokines and stop production, and to make it realize that, he is causing a loop wherein the lymphatic fluid with its cytokines comes back into the blood stream.

It occurred to me that cytokines chasing relatively harmless substances can in itself cause lymphatic overload; not just due to the presence of glutens, mold, or pesticides...., but due also to the amount of immune system cells in the system. It is an unending circle--the upgraded immune system, upon losing glutens, then finds gut bugs to chase; then chemicals or molds to chase when the gut bugs are killed.... For a person whose immune system is over-active, it never ends. There is always SOMETHING out there that is foreign which the body can find as "not self" to attack. So.... might an immune system which does not communicate re how many cytokines are in production be a contributor to ES? Just asking in case others out there have already had tests for this or done research into this area. If this is the case, then detoxing an overloaded lymphatic system might possibly add to the risk to get ES! THis is just a thought I have and should not be extrapolated as an
actual medical theory. Just asking questions here.

Seeker of all knowledge yet unknown, ;)
Diane





> Many people with ES find they are very sensitive to vitamin and mineral
> supplements, so i would suggest going easy on the dosages and work up to
> check your tolerance.

Are lots of people here overly sensitive to supplements? I know that
I am, and there are several supplements that I have tried that I
simply cannot take even in small amounts due to the bad reactions
they provoke.

On the other hand, I find that I can get benefits from some supplements
at a dosage which is lower than recommended, so that's good
from a cost standpoint! :-)

Marc





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