Re: Marc/Arjuna - beware laptops too - also blowdryers

Posted by charles-4 on
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Hello,

for all who still believe that all this talk about laptops is old-women
talks, I have placed on:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
new sounds.
I have played around with a Dell Latitude D600 laptop.
At startup of the computer I have recorded the sounds emanating from this
laptop, on the right part of the keyboard.
After successful loading of Windows XP, I recorded the sounds from the left
part of the keyboard.

Those are the frequencies one has to endure in your lap.
On your genitals.
Do not think that your clothing will shield them.

Nice huh ?


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Garth Hitchens" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 06:41
Subject: Re: [eSens] Marc/Arjuna - beware laptops too - also blowdryers


> Ok, to add one more opinion to the issue of Laptop computers.
>
> In my experience, using a laptop, especially on your lap, could be
> asking for trouble, depending on the design of the laptop.
>
> One of the first devices that I found that I was electrically
> sensitive to was a 17" Apple Powerbook G4 laptop. I would get
> intense dizziness and tinnitus within minutes of using it, regardless
> of whether it was plugged in or not. Using it on my lap
> exacerbated the effect. Upon examining the magnetic field with a
> spectrum analyzer, it put out a large amount of "repetitively pulsed
> electronic noise" from directly below my left wrist near the keyboard
> area.
>
> I ultimately had to stop using it due to the symptoms.
> Interestingly, another person with a 17" powerbook G4 mentioned to me
> independently that they had symptoms when using the laptop (again,
> off power). This model is no longer produced, having been replaced
> by the Intel-based MacBook and MacBook pro line.
>
> I have since extensively used an apple MacBook as well as a Macbook
> Pro that LOOKS exactly like the Powerbook that gave me trouble, and
> neither seems to cause me much trouble even when plugged in (all
> computers bother me some). My spectrum analyzer still shows a fair
> bit of noise, but at different frequencies and pulse rates.
>
> From this I conclude that it is not just using a laptop or not, or
> if it is plugged in or not, but that the internal design of the
> laptop can also have a profound effect. Although it sounds odd, I
> have found that at least for the Apple laptops, the switch from
> motorola G4 to Intel's CPU seemed to change things enough that my ES
> is not triggered anywhere nearly as much.
>
> As Shivani has mentioned, the high frequency noise caused by internal
> power conversion circuitry seems to be a key factor in ES issues.
> While some of these are only active when the unit is powered by AC
> power, most (like the flourescent display inverter, and dc/dc
> inverters) are active anytime the laptop is in use, regardless of if
> the unit is plugged in or not. And many of these are located just an
> inch from your palms when you are using the laptop keyboard.
>
> As a result, I find my ES symptoms are least triggered by using
> either the laptop OR a desktop computer with standard (external)
> keyboard and mouse to keep my body away from the internals of the
> computer as much as possible.
>
> Finally, I would mention that I have found it useful to keep the
> actual power adapter unit for the laptop as far from my body as
> possible when using a laptop "plugged in".
>
> Hope that is useful for someone. Of course, your mileage may vary.
>
> Garth
>