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URL: https://www.es-forum.com/Dave-Stetzer-s-comments-re-filters-performance-tp1542880p1542933.html
@Shivani
This discussion is only fed by Shivani.
Stetzer did not utter one word.
As usual.
As I stated many times ago, Stetzer never answered my questions in the
beginning, also related to EC marks etc.
Now, first of all, I have never uttered one word about the american filters.
I object only to the European version, as I have bought from Lessemf.
And this quality is shit, to say it bluntly.
They are first class dangerous.
They are no prototypes, because the first shipment from China was faulty.
My filters came from the second shipment.
I have written Shivani earlier about other reports (meters), which were also
in german, but she wrote, that she does not understand german.
So, what is the use of sending a german report about the filters, as she
cannot read them?
Bajog holds also lectures, and there he also states the fact of unwanted
resonances.
Every electricien can calculate that.
My opinion is not based on what other people are saying, but what I see with
my own eyes.
The Bajog filters are a fine robust safe product with the proper plugs (and
CE mark); the European Stetzerizer filters, as I have in my posession, are
certainly not.
And my opinion is also based on the findings of Bajog, which is a well-known
german company.
Of course, there is a price difference and the Stetzerizer filters do filter
a bit more, but when I show people the difference, everybody chooses for
Bajog.
Everybody sees the difference. Ebven the simplest *housewife*.
It seems that not Stetzer is in the offence but Shivani is.
I do not have an agenda, but if things are wrong, they are wrong, no matter
what Shivani claims.
If Stetzer has a problem, they should contact Bajog themselves.
Sure, I may be a pest.
I also am against certain meter manufacturors, who claim too much, which
they cannot ophold.
I am a building biologist and an engineer by profession, so I know what I am
talking about.
*Safety first* is very important to me.
The well-being of people is the most important thing to look after.
Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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Subject: [eSens] Re: Dave Stetzer's comments re. filters' performance
> Marc wrote:
> "I think Charles has already established credibility... You might
> get
> the answers you're looking for if you'd stop threatening people
> with lawsuits, which I think makes *you* lose credibility. "
>
> Shivani responds:
> Charles has been posting here for a long time, yes. And he usually
> has good information, yes.
> However, if he posts something that defames a product, he needs to offer
> substantiation. To spread false information about a product that causes
> uninformed people to have a negative view of that product is not only
> unethical, it
> certainly IS a legal matter.
>
> Dave's first reaction to what Charles said was very laid back. He
> thought Charles was just some misinformed person. However, as the
> conversation
> has developed, it appears that Charles has an agenda, as he has not
> reacted in
> a logical and reasonable way. If this were your product being falsely
> maligned, Marc, I am rather sure you would see this in a very different
> light. A
> court would.
>
> By the way, I am not about to sue anybody. It's not my product being
> maligned. I am the messenger here. Being shot at plenty.
>
> What Charles said was:
> "I have reports from the German company Bajog, who have calculated and
> tested, that raising the number of capacitors (filters) can cause
> unwanted resonances, by which other electrical equipment can get damaged.
> By raising the capacity of 200 uF and a net impedance of 0,5-1,2 Ohm
> (praxis value), the critical resonance frequency can be 180 Hz, which is
> the
> 3rd
> harmonic."
> He implies that this is somehow relevant to the Stetzer filters, but
> so
> far has not answered any of my questions about it. If Bajog in fact did a
> study on the Stetzer filters, let's see it. WHAT did Bajog test?
> Stetzer
> filters, or something else?
> As I pointed out before, there is no number of Stetzer filters the lab
> or anyone else could use that would = 200uF and cause resonance.
>
> As more people have found out about how damaging electrical pollution
> is, and how much the Stetzer filters can help, the electric utilities and
> their
> bosom buddies in governmental agencies are taking action to purposefully
> misinform the public regarding the filters. The recent publication by
> Health
> Canada is one of these projects. (By the way, since we have posted Dr.
> Havas'
> comments of rebuttal, the Health Canada publication is now unavailable at
> their
> Web site. They claim it is a technological problem.) Dave Stetzer and
> Dr.
> Martin Graham are presently looking into suing them for publishing this
> false
> information about the filters. Dave and Marty would rather spend their
> time
> working on new ways to help people, but are forced into this in order to
> protect their name and their product.
>
> It is the same here. If this is a simple misunderstanding, why
> didn't
> Charles just answer the questions that I asked? Instead, he just goes
> on
> and on badmouthing the Stetzer filters.
>
> Another group that continues to make inaccurate remarks about the
> Stetzer filters is baubiologists. Dave Stetzer and Dr. Graham have
> tried and
> tried to educate baubiologists regarding the importance of FREQUENCY over
> magnetic
> field strength, and to explain to them why their "body voltage"
> methodology
> is unsound. But the baubiologists, as a group, for some reason believe
> they
> understand electricity better than they actually do, and they continue to
> make
> harmful statements about the filters.
>
> (A Canadian baubiologist previously claimed that a reputable lab in
> Texas had done a test of the Stetzer filters that showed that are a fire
> hazard.
> When Dave asked for a copy, the fellow said "Oh, I was drunk when I said
> that. There wasn't actually any study.")
>
> Whether Charles' motivation is related to his being part of this group
> (baubiology), we do not know. I hope not.
>
> Personally, I am surprised., as I have had good personal
> e-conversations
> with Charles in the past, and had the feeling that his motivations were
> good.
> I repeat again that I have no personal animosity towards anyone on this
> list, but I will not remain silent in the face of misinformation being
> spread
> about the Stetzer products.
>
> At any rate, I once again request that Charles clarify his remarks
> about
> whatever it is that Bajog has studied and published.
>
> Regards,
> Shivani
> www.LifeEnergies.com
>
>
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