>Hello Vinny,
>
>of course I fully agree with you.
>
>I wanted to make my point that one has to differentiate between radiation
>sources on one side, and the reacting human body on the other side.
>Some people do mix them together, and i my opinion that is not right.
>
>Now, about the mumbo jumbo of all these machines.
>It is quite simple.
>The answer are longitudinal waves.
>Tesla described them 100 years ago, but we still do not have meters to
>measure them.
>But they still exist.
>That they are effective can be seen at:
>http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina164b.html
>where the wheat-seed-water-test has been described.
>(As done by Dietrich Gruen M.D., the developer of the BioProtect card)
>
>Longitudinal waves go right through shieldings.
>They do have an impact on the vortexes around our body.
>Those vortexes can run to the right or to the left.
>And longitudinal waves do have an influence on them.
>
>Because most *scientists* do not know about them, they do not want to
>discuss this.
>
>But longitudinal waves do play an important part in Vinny's machine.
>I am sure of that.
>Although it cannot be proven momentarily.
>
>Longitudinal waves can be charged by positive as well as negative
>information.
>When they pass through a shielding material, it can be changed.
>
>I have found, and measured, that some materials can suck up the HF
>radiation, store it till a saturation point, and then start emitting them
>over time. (I mean several years.)
>
>Silvio Hellemann wrote an intersting book: *Ständig unter Strom. Handbuch
>für Elektrosensible*.
>In this book, he described several gadgets and machines which helped him
>with his electrosensibility.
>I asked him which gadget he found the best and could recommend me.
>He wrote back; *None, because they charge themselves and start emitting
>after a while!*
>
>So I would say that we call all those so-called *anti-elektrosmog* gadgets
>just simply *immune boosters*.
>
>Because we have found that by boosting the immune system (by discharging
>heavy-metals for instance) the level of sensitivity to elektrosmog goes down
>enormously.
>Discharging heavy-metals with pills takes a long time.
>With other means, for instance an ionic footbath, it goes much quicker.
>
>So, we are two of a kind, as they say.
>I mean the same kind of understanding.
>
>I am looking into my question: *What makes electrosensibles tick?*
>And I am very pissed, to see that the dutch government is willing to spend
>16 million Euro in research of EM fields and health, but all they want
>researched are psychological factors.
>See my english issue of *het bitje* 1/2 October 2006.
>
>
>Greetings,
>Charles Claessens
>member Verband Baubiologie
>www.milieuziektes.nl
>www.milieuziektes.be
>www.hetbitje.nl
>checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Vinny Pinto" <[hidden email]>
>To: <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 15:41
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Quantum (Products) devices
>
>
> > Hi Charles:
> >
> > Thanks for your note. . . You wrote, in part, in your recent letter
> > (below) the following:
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~
> > The radiation of elektrosmog sources is one thing.
> > The biological working of our body is another.
> >
> > Many *things* which are claimed to neutralize or harmonize the radiation
> > are
> > NOT doing that.
> > I have investigated many *things*, but measurements did not show any
> > alteration in the radiation levels of the elektrosmog sources...
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > I wish to offer here a bit of fine-tuning -- from my perspective as
> > an electronics engineer, scientist and intuitive -- as we seem to be
> > touching upon a matter which causes some considerable confusion for
> > many people with ES/EHs and also for many otherwise-healthy people
> > who are interesting in acquiring "electro-protective" devices as a
> > prophylactic measure to ensure continued health and vitality. And,
> > there is even some confusion (perhaps deliberate!) about this matter
> > of "reducing EMF fields" on some (but only a few) of the vendor
> > websites which market these products.
> >
> > Charles, I agree fully with you that NONE of the great many
> > protective field effect or area treatment devices available on the
> > market actually reduce readings of the magnitude (i.e., strength) of
> > E-fields, H-field or B-field (magnetic field), or EMF fields on EMF
> > survey meters (i.e., single-field meters, EMF meters, trifield
> > meters, magnetometers, spectrum analyzers, etc.) Of course, it IS
> > true that conductive EMF shielding fabrics and metals -- or a
> > complete Faraday cage (!!!!) -- as sold by some vendors, can indeed
> > lower such measured field strengths greatly, but for the purposes of
> > this letter, we are not focusing on such passive shielding tools, but
> > rather only on field effect or area treatment devices which claim to
> > somehow ameliorate some or all of the harmful effects of EMF fields.
> >
> > So, the reality -- much as I explain at some length about my Coherent
> > Space Quantum Coherence devices on my website -- is that these area
> > treatment devices do NOT reduce the magnitude (i.e., strength) of the
> > actual electric (E field), magnetic (H field or B field) or EMF field
> > itself, but rather, they claim to remove some or all of a subtle
> > quantum-level incoherent chaotic "noise" which often rides on (i.e.,
> > is superimposed upon, or accompanies) such fields produced by manmade
> > systems (i.e., the power grid, the landline phone grid, the cellular
> > network grid) or devices (i.e., electrical and electronic devices,
> > motors, etc.) Indeed, I note that a few vendors/producers of such
> > products -- including the Quantum Products sites (i.e.,
> > www.quantumproducts.com and www.natural-stress-reduction.com and the
> > explanations by Dr. Srivinisan and Dr. Rubik on the Clarus websites
> > --actually employ a language very similar to mine when describing the
> > possibly-harmful subtle effects of EMF fields. So, the successful
> > devices in this field -- that is, the ones which do succeed in part
> > or in full in removing this harmful chaotic quantum noise from the
> > manmade EMF -- DO NOT actually reduce the magnitude of the electric
> > fields, magnetic fields or EMF fields in themselves, but RATHER, they
> > reduce or eliminate the incoherent chaotic quantum-level (i.e.,
> > subtle energy) noise which often "rides on" such fields from manmade
> > systems and devices. Since this chaotic quantum-level noise often
> > produces what I will call "perturbations" or "disturbances" in living
> > organisms (i.e., people, cats, dogs, microbes, hapless space aliens,
> > etc.) and in manmade electronic equipment and systems, we will --
> > when we use one of the better area treatment devices -- often see
> > improvements in the viability, vitality and functioning of people,
> > dogs, cats, hapless space aliens and electronic equipment when they
> > are within the effective radius of treatment range of such a device.
> >
> > And yes -- and this is where I address Charles's assertion that these
> > area treatment devices also affect people directly -- if and when our
> > bodies are within range of such protective devices (ahem... the ones
> > which work effectively, that is...!), the devices may also have a
> > similar cohering effect upon the quantum-level processes (i.e.,
> > subtle energies) in our bodies as well. And, this is where matters
> > can get a bit sticky, for... if the body of a person or animal has a
> > lot of accumulated chaotic incoherent subtle energies, along with
> > accrued damage from exposure to such incoherent energies over many
> > years, then, as these bodily energies are gradually cohered, the
> > person or animal may -- from my perspective -- experience some
> > temproary and interim cleansing symptoms, aka detoxification
> > symptoms, such as headaches, flu symptoms, rashes, frequent
> > urination, buring urine, increased body odor, diarrhea, etc., and at
> > times, these temporary symptoms may become rather irritating or
> > annoying in themselves!
> >
> > Thus, we end up with the paradox that many of these protective field
> > effect devices appear to work quite well for persons who are already
> > in a good state of health and coherence, i.e., leargely-healthy
> > persons with only very very mild negative responses to EMF, but these
> > same devices may appear -- at first glance -- to be grossly
> > ineffective or even harmful (i.e., due to the sudden onset of
> > cleansing symptoms or detox symptoms) for users who have moderate to
> > strong ES/EHS or MCS or other chronic diseases. This is, of course,
> > due to the fact that these people in the latter group may not only
> > have deeper underlying problems in the body/mind/spirit which tend to
> > produce ES/EHS (or MCS, etc.) as a symptom, but due to the fact that
> > they bear much higher levels of inner toxins and incoherent fields,
> > they will also often experience some very unpleasant temporary
> > cleansing (detox) reactions when exposed to these devices!
> >
> > And, to some degree, since none of us are perfectly healthy, and
> > since ALL of us who live in modern society bear some degree of levels
> > of inner toxicity and accumulated incoherent quantum-level
> > information, due to (ingestion of) modern food and water and due to
> > chronic lifetme exposure to manmade EMF and the chaotic fields riding
> > upon it, almost all of us will at times experience at least brief and
> > transient minor cleansing symptoms when first exposed to such
> > "coherence" devices which help to ameliorate the incoherent choatic
> > quantum-level "noise" which accompanies most manmade EMF (and even
> > some so-called geopathic fields from natural sources as well.)
> >
> > with care,
> > --Vinny
>