>Hi, Vinny,
>
> I am a non techno ESer here. lol I actually have not tried any
> of the many devices for ESers. I intend to look into the rife
> machines, ozone generators, and fir saunas in the near future (I am
> right now selling my home and haven't the time to do the proper
> research I would need to do into these at the moment. I am
> particularly interested in the sauna, tho I think I will be trying
> all three at some point.) Instead, I have thus far targeted my
> treatment toward supplements, negative hydrogen ion water, EFT,
> chiropractics, etc. I have done very well with this approach and
> these do effectively detox and treat ES, however, they are quite
> pricey (ongoing speaking) and I am in the future looking for more
> cost effective ways to continue detoxing.
>
> As for your questions, the only one I can answer is the third:
> "Have you ever experienced brain fog, blurred vision, or
> heaviness, difficulty breathing, coupled with extreme fatigue"....
>
> Yes, I have had those problems for many years, undxed, and
> finally a nutritionist who I know dxed it for me. I had a very bad
> case of lymphatic overload from detoxing and just plain crap in my
> system (too long a story to deal with here; years of foods, fungi,
> bacteria, etc, etc, etc, spilling into my blood stream due to
> celiac disease). The nutrients needed in order to keep my
> lymphatic system running (such as it was--not running well), were
> being diverted from my adrenal system. My adrenal system was being
> starved and was dysfunctioning. This is what caused all but the
> brain fog and blurred vision (those are lymphatic congestion
> symptoms; in your case, probably caused by severe detoxing).
>
> For me (and you should check this out for yourself), I ALSO had
> severely low blood pressure along with all these other
> symptoms. The nutritionist told me I needed to feed my adrenals
> and I followed his direction and advise. This has changed my
> life! I was as close to bedbound as one could get and still be
> able to hobble 10 feet to the bathroom for over 13 years from these
> problems. Even once I began to treat celiac disease and was no
> longer bedbound, I could still not walk across a room on most days
> after being up for more than 3 hours/day, the fatigue was so
> bad. I finally realized that when my fatigue began to get bad and
> the shortness of breath and heaviness began, that my bp was
> plummetting to around 60s or 70s over 40s or 50s.
>
> My nutrtionist put me on a combo of CoQ10, pantethine, and
> calcium AEP daily. When I had the bp plummetting, I was to take
> pantethine and calcium AEP (one each with large glass of water)
> every 15 to 20 mins until my bp began to respond and rise. I can
> send exact amounts if this interests you.
>
> I am just a little suspicious that serotonin is somehow involved
> in this process, as well. Serotonin is involved in the autonomic
> nervous system and in my case has been involved also with my lack
> of energy and I know it to be important also in the adrenal
> functioning. I have serotonin dumping in my urine. Serotonin is
> also involved in ES problems, which one can read in some of the
> research (but sorry to say, I lost my links--someone here posted a
> huge long list of links around November or December of last year
> that contained them.) Also, using negative hydrogen ion water
> positively affects this serotonin problem for me. I have read that
> acidic metabolism (also a problem with ongoing gut toxin problems)
> can cause too much serotonin for the autonomic nervous system and
> that causes similar symptoms. The negative hydrogen water
> addresses that by making the metabolism more alkaline.
>
> So, in essence, try the supplements. If you are still having
> problems, try using alkaline water in addition to the supplements.
>
> My best to you and your wife; and welcome to the forum, btw!
> Diane
>
>Vinny Pinto <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi folks:
>
>I just joined this list group yesterday, but I have been browsing and
>searching the the past posts in the archives for about the past five
>days. I am writing today to say hello, and to note that I am rather
>impressed at the quality of most of the posts on this list group. I
>offer my congratulations to the list group owner -- I run many list
>groups myself, some of them quite large, and it is amazing to me the
>number of trolls and flamers (and spammers) who regularly try to send
>bizarre or inappropriate messages to list groups; in fact, I am
>converting more and more of my groups to private, application-only
>membership for that reason. . .
>
>First, a brief introduction: I am a research scientist with a
>graduate degree (Masters level plus some doctoral work, degree earned
>in 1992) in the health sciences and also appreciable training at the
>graduate level in several systems of acupuncture and Asian medicine,
>and I am also a spiritual healer and intuitive. In fact, much of my
>scientific research work in the realms of beneficial microbes and
>antioxidants is actually guided by intuition, rather than by the
>intellectual logical "mind". I also run a number of informational
>websites and list groups on beneficial microbes (particularly EM),
>raw food diets which include raw animal foods, sungazing and some
>other fun topics. If you wish to know more about me (and I note that
>a few members here already belong to some of my list groups) feel
>free to check out my "home page" website at www.vinnypinto.us, which
>kinda organizes the rest of my work and sites.
>
>I am writing today to ask a bit about your experiences with EMF detox
>symptoms, and I have already searched the current archives on the
>group home page and read many of the past posts on this topic. Here
>is what I am asking and why I am asking:
>
>I have been doing occasional R&D in the field of EMF protective
>devices since 1974, and have also occasionally used EMF protective
>devices since that time, and, in fact, I was one of the first owners
>of the Earth Resonance Generator (aka ERG, which used a tiny signal
>generator (a UJT oscillator) running at near the fundemental f of the
>Schumann resonance, at about 8 Hz) which Patrick Flanagan introduced
>in the late 1970s. I have also owned three of the Clarus devices
>since the very early 1990s, namely, the Clarus power strip, the
>Clarus Clear Wave clock (one of the early models from 1991, using a
>re-labeled Radio Shack digital clock), and the Clarus QLink pendant
>(which I replaced with a newer model in 1999 when I lost the first
>one...) I have never noticed any cleansing or detox effects with any
>of these devices, nor with any of a half-dozen or more other brands
>and types of protective devices (including the various Aulterra and
>Etherium rock dusts) with which I have played since the early 1980s.
>I have also NEVER noticed any significant detox effects with any of
>the earlier generations of my own EMF protective devices which I
>built and used in the years between 1975 and 2005.
>
>However... When I designed and built the latest generation of what I
>call my Coherent Space Quantum Coherence devices earlier this year, I
>was rather amazed at the fact that in addition to some obvious
>benefits which I noticed for myself such as having more energy and
>focus each day (and this is something which I had never particularly
>noticed with the three Clarus devices; the power strip and clock are
>still running today in my home office area. . .), my wife Sue and I
>shortly started to develop classic and temporary detox symptoms, such
>as periodic fatigue, need for more naps, headaches, noticeable
>increase in body odor, and even brief cold and flu symptoms. I have
>had my share of detox and cleansing symptoms in the past, largely due
>to early stages of acupuncture, complex homeopathy (Apex Energetics),
>raw food diets or starting to ingest EM microbial/antioxidant
>products (as I have discussed elsewhere on the web, I had some heavy
>mercury exposures earlier in life, so detox symptoms were not
>unexpected), but I was a bit stunned, as I had never considered
>myself at all electrosensitive, and I had never experienced EMF detox
>with ANY other devices.
>
>For each of us (Sue and me), the detox symptoms -- which started on
>about the third day of exposure -- passed within a couple of weeks,
>leaving just the energy, calmness and clarity, and then we hit
>another wave of even stronger -- but similar -- temporary detox
>symptoms when I started running one of my negentropic (i.e.,
>anti-entropic) field effect devices alongside the quantucm coherence
>device. This latter wave also passed within two to three weeks from start.
>
>Now, here is where it gets strange: I have since been guided on an
>inner level to create one more type of device (much like the
>negentropic field effect device, this is not primarily a quantum
>coherence device, but rather a more specialized device which seems to
>emit a beneficial bioenergy field), and amazingly (to me, as this was
>totally unexpected), once I set up this device (it is called the
>Violet Light of Peace) and it had been running nonstop for a few
>days, Sue and I ended up enduring several weeks of very intense detox
>symptoms, which started largely as brain fog and blurred vision, and
>a feeling of not being able to take a deep breath, and then shifted
>largely to fatigue and heaviness and increased sleep need, and the
>symptoms are only now winding down after about three very intense
>weeks. In fact, at three times during the past weeks, I grew so tired
>of the intense detox symptoms that I briefly moved the device (which
>has a radius of strongest effect of about 50 feet) for about 24 hours
>at a time to a storage buildng on our property which is located about
>90 feet from the house, just to get a break from detox! (I did this
>despite constant reassurance on an inner level that the detox
>symptoms were temporary and would pass, as I get a bit tired of
>non-stop detox symptoms...!)
>
>Since I have been marketing prototypes of some of my Quantum
>Coherence devices to a small and select audience of experimenters and
>researchers, I notice that I have been receiving reports from a
>minority (perhaps 25% at most ) of the users of my quantum coherence
>devices, reporting similar temporary bouts of detox symptoms.
>However, even more telling, since I talk quite freely (in contrast to
>most other sites) about EMF detox symptoms on my Coherent Space
>website ( www.coherentspace.info ), I am starting to receive emails
>and phone calls from users of other brands and types of EMF
>protective devices who report that they seemed to notice detox
>effects when first using their devices (i.e., those other brands) and
>asking me if I believe that it is possible that those symptoms are
>truly detox effects; many seem to have been particularly confused
>because most vendors downplay or outright ignore such possible
>temporary detox effects, and thus they were unable to receive any
>answers or reassurance from their vendor. So far, the reports of
>temporary detox seem to be coming from a few users of the Quantum
>Products devices, the Clarus QLink pendants, and the SpringLife
>Polarizers, although I have heard one or two reports of possible
>detox effects from exposure to the Aulterra material (a mined rock
>dust) also. And, interestingly, this morning I noticed that someone
>(from Great Britain) who stumbled upon my Coherent Space web site had
>gotten there by typing the term [Clarus QLink detox effect] in Google
>search engine!
>
>Anyway, after that painstaking history, here are a question or two
>for you, if you will; I am not looking for formal survey-type
>replies, but rather just hoping to start a bit of discussion and sharing:
>
>1) What percentage of EMF protective devices which you have tried
>have seemed to produce detox effects?
>2) How long did the longest periods of detox effects seem to last?
>3) Have you ever experienced detox effects such as blurred vision or
>heaviness, or diffulty in drawing a deep breath, coupled with intense fatigue?
>
>Thanks much in advance for sharing!
>
>with care,
>--Vinny