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Hi, Ligure,
Where are you located? Doctors do different tests in different areas/countries. Here in the US, you can get a battery of blood tests +/or a genetic test. None are 100% conclusive, tho the genetic test can at least tell you if you have the known genes. (They do suspect, tho, that they have not yet mapped all the genes which produce celiac/gluten intolerance.) There is also a doc who is highly regarded in the celiac community (but whose workis considered suspect by many in the medical community) who dxes celiac disease by a stool test by mail. In the end, the gold standard for celiac disease is still by endoscopic biopsy. Even this is often false negative, especially if the person abstains from glutens prior to the biopsy, or insufficient samples are taken, or the doctor is not familiar with what to look for, or.... You get the picture.
If you have been able to cure your "allergy" to calcium and B12, it is likely you have done something which has resulted in curing leaky gut. Celiac disease can go into remission, tho this is not the norm. It is not as likely that you have celiac disease if your B12 and calcium are now well tolerated. However, if you are still experiencing signs of leaky gut, a celiactest would be very good for you to still have.
If you are here in the States, I can send you more info. Enterolabs is the name of the lab with the doc(Dr Fine) who does stool samples. He also does genetic tests. You can research that online. I can get you the site if you are not familiar with search engines. I don't know how this works inBritain or other countries, but here in the US celiac disease is still a hard disease for many to get dxed. There are many on my celiac forum who gave up trying to get a formal dx and simply went totally gluten-free on their own.
My best to you and your children,
Diane
Ligure <
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You know, upon further reflection, it was two of my children that we
specifically tested for celiac disease. Neither had it. I think I will have
to look into that for myself. What is the name of the test so that I can
order it?
Thanks,
Ligure
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From: Ian Kemp [mailto:
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Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:55 PM
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Subject: [eSens] Leaky gut and celiac disease
Ligure,
You say you have tested negative for celiac disease but was it a specific
test for that? Feedback from this group seems to suggest that the majority
have some sort of immune system problem, which very often seems to be linked
to leaky gut. There is a general test for leaky gut (also known as
intestinal permeability) involving testing the absorption/permeation of a
solution of microparticles of various sizes which you drink. From our
experience we would say that anyone suffering chronic fatigue, ME, MCS or ES
symptoms would be well advised to do this test - we wish we had done it a
lot earlier than we did. Sue tested positive for leaky gut but negative for
the more specific celiac disease.
Ian
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Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)
Diane,
I was trying to say the same thing you described here. Perhaps I came off
the wrong way. So I think we are in alignment on the celiac way of acquiring
an allergy. Basically the digestive system allows things (proteins) to pass
through the walls that it should have broken down further (i.e. to amino
acids). Celiac disease is one form of this problem. Generically this is
called "leaky gut" syndrome. Not to be confused with Montezuma's revenge.
;-) It is leaky in that the unbroken down substance leaks from the GI tract
to the bloodstream and thus is engaged by the immune system.
I had been tested for celiac (as I recall) and did not have the problem. I
suspected a calcium allergy and B12 allergy due to research and it was
confirmed through a NAET practitioner. They also cleared it up. However they
only cleared those up and not what I am leading to which is a possible
allergy to EMF or as I have found on this group electrosmog (sp?). I like
that term.
Ligure
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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)
Hi, Ligure,
My understanding of allergies is much different than yours. It was
explained to me that we aquire allergies when our bodies cannot break down
the components of a particular food or chemical, etc, into a usable unit.
Anything that is not usable AND gets into the blood stream is considered by
the body to be an antigen. Our immune systems are encoded to attack
antigens. Foreign substances get into our blood streams via tight junctions
(like bricks in a wall, which form the wall of the gut, for instance) which
are usually closed and are supposed to be closed, but react to glutens and a
few other things by opening. (I have read that EMFs cause tight junctions
to open.) As a celiac I am aware of this because celiacs have tight
junctions which stay open not only in the small intestine, but in the blood
brain barrier and lungs. (Some say also the heart.) This is why celiacs
have such a high incidence of auto-immune disease--the immune system is
always attacking something or other, usually undigested food particles.
Our bodies cannot use many nutrients without "carriers" which escort each
assigned nutrient across the intestinal wall at particular sites. B12, for
instance, which you mention having problems with, is assigned a particular
site where it crosses and this is also one of the first sites to be damaged
in celiac disease or from gluten intolerance. The site for calcium is also
one of the first to be damaged by gluten intolerance and cd. It sounds to
me like you do not have an allergy to either of these, but instead have
gluten intolerance or celiac disease. In celiac disease, you must not eat
any glutens which are contained in wheat, rye, barley, and oats (by
contamination). Nor can you eat any derivitives of these. In 6 months or
so of avoidance, your small intestine will begin to heal and this will cure
you of your "allergy" to B12 and calcium. I had problems with these
nutrients as well. When I was finally dxed with cd, I had osteoporosis from
calcium deficiency and a dexa scan of -3.50. Two years after going
glutenfree, my dexa score had improved to +1.75.
I am not saying that NAET or Bioset cannot work (I know nothing of either,
btw). But if they work they do it on a different principal than simply
"retraining". What exactly is NAET and Bioset? Have these worked, for
instance, for your allergies to B12 and calcium?
Diane
Ligure <
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And now the different level.
Given that the body has a means of taking care of its allergen/toxic load
(part 1), why did it accumulate the load in the first place? Or more to the
point why do some folks have an allergy to some substance while others do
not? These questions have plagued me.
So, the body responds to an allergen because it was trained to do so. This
may seem strange (at least it did to me) considering that there are many
people's bodies which do not adversely respond to a given allergen (i.e.
wheat) while others have a problem with it. How did the body acquire such an
adverse response? Some might say genetics. I am going to lay that one aside
just because that is the typical catchall when the "expoerts" don't know the
answer.
It may be the "answer" in some cases, but there or other answers that can be
found before we throw in the genetic towel.
How else was the body trained? Simple explanations are in order.
Prolonged exposure, over exposure, or exposure at the wrong place It often
happens that where at one time one has no allergic response to something to
discover one day that they can no longer tolerate it. This occurs because
the immune system got engaged at a deeper level than it once needed to or
"decided" to engage the substance in an adversarial fashion. One example of
this is the "leaky gut" syndrome. If the digestive system does not
metabolize the bread and break its proteins down into amino acids, the
immune system will engage the proteins as if they were foreign substances
and develop an allergy.
I because allergic to calcium and B12 in this way. And both of these are
needed by the body.
Immune system is weak during exposure
This can happen by weakened associaiton. For instance if you are weakened by
exposure to some chemical and you are eating bread during that exposure,
your immune system may mistakenly react to the bread. The weakness may not
be physical even. It could be emotional,
I am sure there are other ways of training, but they are similar.
Now the question is how to "untrain" the response.
This is where the next level begins. Through energetic-type of medicine like
NAET and Bioset the body's immune system is retaught to no longer consider a
substance as an allergen. It sort of makes peace with the allergen and turns
it into a peacable neighbor. So instead of having an attacking type of
response which leads to histamine reactions and thus cascade into an
allergic response it allow the substance to coexist and even just pass on
through the body if the substance is of no use.
Now this energetic medicine goes to the level that your body's "field"
can tell
when it comes in proximity to a substances "field" what that substance it.
If
your body does not want that substance (i.e. allergic response), it will
begin to respond accordingly.
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