Posted by Ian Kemp on
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Karen, thanks for the clarifications, I guess being a degree level
chemist/chemical engineer myself, I like to be precise on the exact nature
of chemicals and their effects - maybe too pedantic at times! Certainly I
would never want to play down the dangers of hydrofluoric acid itself which
are well known (I remember my father, a chemistry teacher, showing us at
school a picture of a lab worker who had had a pinhole in her rubber glove
and whose finger was reduced inside a minute to a charred stump). I must
admit I found it hard to understand (if I correctly interpreted your
original posts some weeks back) how the company seemed to have managed to
evade responsibility and compensation for the damage you were caused, since
the symptoms sound (unfortunately) classic poisoning by HF or similar.
(Please note I also did not at any time say you were "over" sensitive on
this).

Best wishes, Ian

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Subject: [eSens] Re: Fluoride


Ian, thank you for the thoughts. I wouldn't say I was "over" sensative to
this issue. Despite
my experience. It is my professional opinion, I feel after 20 years in the
business and
educational experience in the area (University Degree - Canadian) I feel
entitled to make
one.....if there were a "Grandfather" of all the elements it would be
Fluorine.

Fluorine as it is compressed in coal IS a considered what the petroleum
industry calls a
polyarmohydrocarbon. Fluorine is pervasive in its natural source...that
being a "product" of
fossil fuel carbon sources. All gases, I would contend, that eminate from
this source would
contain a fluorine attribute. It would bond in some way.

Fluorine is what makes the earth's core hot. The molecular movement, which
by itself is
somewhat unique because of its structure, keeps the lava molten. The lava
acts like
cartilage between the plates of the earth.

The lines in the press get "slurred" between fluorine and fluoride. The
correct name for the
chemical put into water for "purification" (HAHAHAHAH) purposes is mostly in
the form of
hydrofluorosilicic acid). What is used in toothpaste is sodium fluoride.

This being said, it is recognised by all industry reporting standards that
hydrogen fluoride
is regulated as a hazardous and toxic pollutant that requires special
consideration for
disposal and storage. The petroleum industry uses it pervasivly for refining
petroleum
products.



--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen,
>
> Yep, most of this is correct (and I do apologise that this is of course an
> extremely sensitive subject for you because of your nightmare experience
> with fluoric acid which has affected your whole life - I read your story
> with horror when you joined the group). But as I said, you can say
similar
> things for chlorides, bromides, oxides, nitrates etc ... the atom must
> always be in its context. Chlorine and hydrogen chloride are nasty
> substances, almost as bad as fluorine and HF, but that does not mean we
> should be scared of all chlorides or the things that contain them.
>
> Couple of points. I am in the UK, hence it is "proposals" to fluoridate
> water (which have been considered locally rather than nationally).
Fluorine
> is (as you point out) an element, so it is not a hydrocarbon, which is a
> compound of carbon and hydrogen. And that, incidentally, means that every
> atom of fluorine is natural and has been around since the earth began,
> 99.99%+ in the form of fluorides, as fluorine is so incredibly reactive
that
> it does not stay as the element for very long. A fluoride is simply a
> chemical compound containing one or more fluorine atoms.
>
> Best wishes, Ian
>
>


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