Posted by Ian Kemp on
URL: https://www.es-forum.com/Himalayan-Salt-alert-tp1540925p1540962.html

Hi Karen,

Yep, most of this is correct (and I do apologise that this is of course an
extremely sensitive subject for you because of your nightmare experience
with fluoric acid which has affected your whole life - I read your story
with horror when you joined the group). But as I said, you can say similar
things for chlorides, bromides, oxides, nitrates etc ... the atom must
always be in its context. Chlorine and hydrogen chloride are nasty
substances, almost as bad as fluorine and HF, but that does not mean we
should be scared of all chlorides or the things that contain them.

Couple of points. I am in the UK, hence it is "proposals" to fluoridate
water (which have been considered locally rather than nationally). Fluorine
is (as you point out) an element, so it is not a hydrocarbon, which is a
compound of carbon and hydrogen. And that, incidentally, means that every
atom of fluorine is natural and has been around since the earth began,
99.99%+ in the form of fluorides, as fluorine is so incredibly reactive that
it does not stay as the element for very long. A fluoride is simply a
chemical compound containing one or more fluorine atoms.

Best wishes, Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
tayloka_40
Sent: 13 March 2006 16:56
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Fluoride


Ian...water fluoridation proposal? Are you in Canada or the US? Canada
Fluoridates. US
Fluoridates. Most NA has adopted water fluoridation because it is cheap. My
area started
fluoridating in late 1980s. As far as what is reported to the WHO, only
cities in Canada and
the US DO fluoridate. No European countries fluoridate their water.

The actual use of fluoride in products does NOT have 100 year history. At
best....maybe
40.

Fluorine is a naturally occuring element that was synthesized for use in
commercial and
industrial uses.

Fluorine...the stuff that is naturally occuring in the earth has 9 protons
and 10 nuetrons
and when exposed to the atmosphere it is a COLOURLESS orderless gas. When
coal is
expposed to the processing cycle to make electricity, fluorine is the
by-product. It is
compressed in the coal.

Fluorine, in my industry (oil & gas analysis), and I would suspect in most
industries is
considered a hydrocarbon. It is a constiuent in all fossil fuels...oil, gas,
coal. Volcaoes emit
fluorine gas, along with a host of other gases. Earth quakes emit fluorine
gas.

When Fluorine is in the atmosphere it combines with other airborne molecules
and forms
other gases that can have attributes of colour etc. When fluorine is exposed
to sunlight it
becomes hydrogen fluorine.

The fluoride we use.....it is used in plastics, cooking products (teflon),
PFOA products (all
plastics basically), household cleaning products, transmission fluid, window
washer fluid,
jet liner fluid is stabalized with fluoric acid so it does not freeze at
high altitudes. Fluoride
is used in most poisons, herbacides...is it the primary constiuent in
compound
1080...which by the way a BIG load is missing from Nebraska I think. That is
the
compound the germans discovered to quickly eliminate the rats in germany. It
was very
effective.

It is used in medicine...like vioxx, celebrex, prozac, anesthetics, oh this
list is too long for
here. Toothpaste, whiteners....and if we think that fluoride is not reacting
with sugars,
chlorides, it is a bonding agent afferall....inside of our bodies then we
have fooled
ourselves by chemistry. The truth about chemistiry is that every molecule on
the face of
this earth gets to do the proton/nuetron dance....I think I hear music to
this...LOLOL....chemstiry is dynamic and keeps happening even when we cannot
see those
chemical reactions occur.

Let me see, they use fluoridated water to reconstitute juice. In Canada, our
Health Ministry
issued a report about baby formula....a toxc cocktail that should bear a
warning label.
Canada could not PUBLISH that report in the US. Blocked by manufacturers.
Who makes
baby formula? There is fluoride in baby formula.

Oh...US munitions are made from Uranium Hexa-fluoride. Gets real hot to
pierce the
tanks.

Drip...drip....drip....adding a drop a day of fluoride from multiple sources
puts most North
Americans in the range of exposure between 10 to 20 mg a day. Let's just say
you put a
bottle of pop (soda), the ones contained in the plastic 2 litre containers,
let that container
stand in the sun....then measure the fluoride level of the pop. Fluoride
leaks from the
plastic because under low levels of heat it becomes unstable. This
instability can be seen
in all plastics. If those plastics store food....yep....dose of fluoride
AGAIN!!!!!

There are reports on what that quantity did to rats. DuPont has published
this. Most of the
ES symptoms discussed on this board are attributable to a calcium channel
blocking agent.

That is what electricty and light does. At various concentrations of course.

This is not anti - big business.....no...it certainly is not...is for the
advocation of
responsible decision making regardless of how big your business is. I would
suggest, that
even if you had one employee....and you are responsble for products that
touch
millions...then I would say you have a "big" business and a responsibility
to conduct that
business in such way that causes no harm.

Money over souls.

Take care

Karen







--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Before we get too carried away on the anti-big business stuff, let's just
> remember the history of fluorides. It was observed nearly 100 years back
by
> dentists in certain communities that a lot of the local population had
> mottled teeth, which was perceived as being unsightly. Then they did a
few
> statistics and found that these people's teeth were a lot stronger and
they
> had much fewer cavities and fillings. Investigations showed that the key
> factor was high natural levels of fluoride in the water. The push to get
> fluorides in toothpaste came jointly from the dental profession (with the
> laudable aim of reducing the number of fillings they had to do) and
> consumers. Fluoridation of water was proposed in quite a lot of
communities
> in the UK and Europe as well as the US/Canada. I don't think many adopted
> it; there was some uncertainty, but also more of a feeling on cost grounds
> that it was wasteful to fluoridate a whole water supply when most of it
> would go down baths, sinks, toilets, hosepipes etc. Fluoride toothpaste
> seemed a more sensible way to go as it was directed at the specific area
> that needed it.
>
> The composition of "salt" is always going to vary depending on its source.
> Any salt from anywhere (rock or sea) will contain mainly chloride, but
also
> greater or lesser amounts of fluoride, bromide and iodide, besides
countless Incidentally,
> brine baths, Dead Sea baths/mudpacks, and sea bathing will all give
similar
> effects of exposure to a wide range of halides but evidently most people
do little smelting
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