> Hi, Ian,
>
> Which triggers do you especially suggest to avoid? I know my parents
> bought me a cell phone for Christmas (to take in my car because it is 13
> yo and they are afraid I am going to break down in a snow drift or
> something). I am not too sure I want the phone!
>
> Unlike you, I do not see many similarities with MOST chronically ill
> people. I do see alot of similarities among people with CFS/ME, MCS, FMS,
> celiac disease, and ES. Also with some of the other digestive problems
> like IBS and Crohns. One odd thing is that so many people with one of
> these syndromes go on to have so many more of these syndromes. Like
> me--they tend to attract more and more syndromes. I now know that the
> zonulin tight junction problem is a source for the multiple syndrome
> issue. This has been proven. Celiac disease causes autoimmune
> dysfunction (which leads to further auto-immune disease) due to the leaky
> gut/tight junction problem. I did not know, however, that anything other
> than celiac reaction to glutens could influence this until I read here re
> the radio frequencies causing this in rats. This should be monumental
> research and yet it is hardly known, just as with the zonulin discovery
> for celiac disease.
>
> I have a couple research articles, btw, which links diabetes directly to
> zonulin protein defect in celiac disease, if anyone here wants them. If
> you do, I will send them direct and not thru this list, due to it being
> off subject. It might be after the holidays before I send them, depending
> on how many here request and on how out of hand my schedule gets due to
> the holidays. :)
>
> It would be very interesting to know if the tight junction problem in ES
> causes the same auto-immune dysfunction as celiac, thereby causing
> multiple syndromes. In Sue's case, it looks like it possibly has, unless
> her ES is instead a result rather than the cause of her multiple health
> problems. Thanks for your input, Ian.
>
> Happy holidays,
> Mia
>
> Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I agree 100% that lots of people with "chronic disease" of various sorts
> have lots in common. We see many similarities with various friends with
> these problems; some have developed ES, others haven't. We can definitely
> all learn from each other's experiences. I would also suggest that anyone
> with these types of chronic symptoms needs to be extra careful to avoid
> possible triggers for ES. We wish we had!
>
> Ian
>
>
>
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> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Evie
> Sent: 17 December 2005 21:27
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: re. salt lamps ,blood brain barrier, neg ion
> water
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree with you, Shoshoe. I have a condition that necessitates
> ingesting
> more salt (orthostatic hypotension). I eat ALOT of salt; salt actually
> gives me energy. On the bell shape curve, I imagine you would find there
> are less who are like me, in needing salt, but none the less, I would not
> be
> there alone. I, and people like me, probably would react favorably to
> salt
> in any form. I guess this is one reason why we all have to try so many
> supplements and fixes for our various health problems.
>
> I do not have ES, btw; I am always careful to point that out incase
> someone should forget. However, I did note, and was interested in the
> recent list of articles on ES that one of the posters sent. There were a
> couple articles that mentioned particular frequencies compromising the
> blood
> brain barrier. And that is exactly what is wrong with people who have
> celiac disease--a protein called zonulin goes awry and opens up the tight
> junctions in the gut, blood brain barrier, and some say, the lungs. I
> never
> cease to be amazed at the things I have in common with those of you here.
> That is why I have stayed despite not having ES. I am not trying to say
> that all of you here have celiac disease, btw. Just stating that there
> appears to be commonalities between our disorders. And I do think that
> many
> with ES do respond to salt and other supplements that I personally find
> helpful. It would be interesting to find out if various fr equecies not
> only influence the tight junctions in the
> blood brain barrier, but also the gut (and lungs). That would explain why
> many people with ES have digestive symptoms and also why gut dysbiosis is
> so
> common.
>
> On that subject, I wanted to write Marc to rethank him for the info he
> sent me re Mega-Hydrin. I looked it up and was not able to take that
> particular supplement due to it having sugar or sweetener in it (can't
> remember which). I noted that there was a similar product called
> "Hydrogen
> Boost", however, which I did order. I noticed a spurt of energy from that
> product, but it didn't last long enough. I sent for some pH strips to
> check
> my pH after taking the hydrogen boost, and did a search online to find a
> company that sold those. When that company (Phion) sent me the pH strips,
> they sent me a catalog of their products. They sold a product that
> restructures water--increases the pH and adds negative hydrogen ions to
> the
> water. I ordered that and it has REALLY been helping. I was sick for
> about
> 2-3 weeks from die-off--it was actually killing off gut critters and I
> could
> feel it. Since then my energy has been increasing and I have been able to
> cut down the amount of NADH I was
> taking to less than half so far (NADH did the same thing, essentially, but
> it was very pricey.)
>
> Marc, you told me to tell you if I tried the negative ion water and it
> helped. This is not what I originally wrote you about--I was asking about
> a
> negative hydrogen ion water machine. However, this additive to water
> seems
> to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to invest the
> $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine. The water restructuring drops are
> fairly expensive. It restructures 20 gallons of water for about $40. I
> just tried the restructuring drops to see if hydrogen ion water would make
> a
> difference for me. After the holidays, I am going to send for the
> machine.
> If you have any info re a particular one that you have heard is good, I
> would appreciate any info. I will let you know how that goes.
>
> Happy holidays to All,
> Diane
>
> snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I think we do need to be careful calling things fairy tales that we
> don't know about too.
>
> I'd just about bet everyone of us here has had people think we are
> lunatics, liars, or living in lala land, because they haven't yet
> felt the fields we do.
>
> Perla is right, fairy tales mostly start out with some fact behind
> them, even if gets distorted over time. Ie.. 3 little pigs, and
> other wolf stories, King Arthur, etc.
>
> Even if they haven't worked for some of us here,apparently all those
> people who go down to sit in the salt caves are getting some benefit,
> or they wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps, like I said before, it's not
> just neg. ions, but some other factors.
>
> Frequency of salt perhaps, or combo. of that with other conditions.
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>>
>> Charles recently posted someting very interesting about these
> salt
>> lamps, I am going to repost it below. Thanks, Charles.
>>
>> From: "charles" <charles@m...>
>> Subject: Re: neg. ions from salt
>>
>> I do have an air ion counter.
>> And I have counted the air ions coming from those salt lamps.
>> I found zilch.
>> None.
>>
>> On the other hand, I have found that the present negative air ions
> are
>> killed by the electrosmog.
>>
>> From a distance of 200 meters from a mobile phone mast and then at a
>> distance of 60 meters, only 50 % are remaining.
>> The same goes for a cordless DECT phone at 1 meter to 15 cm; 50 %
> wasted.
>>
>> Many years ago, we had some 3.000-4.000 negative air ions per cm3;
> nowadays
>> that amounts to 300-400 per cm3.
>> In the vicinity of phone masts that number may go down to 100 and
> even 80
>> per cm3.
>>
>> The negative air ions work like an air police.
>> They attach to dust particles, polls and virusses.
>> Because they are in so little numbers, they can not catch all
> virusses.
>> So virusses can go freely through the air, many kilometers.
>> See?
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>>
>>
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