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URL: https://www.es-forum.com/root-cause-of-ES-experts-tp1540039p1540051.html
I get the impression that quite a lot of people in the nutrition /
naturopath / "alternative" medicine field (including some doctors) have got
into it because they had personal experience of being healed from chronic
illnesses via one of these routes, and are inspired to share it with others.
The good thing is that they are more likely to take chronic illness
seriously than many conventional doctors. The drawback is that they can
take a "one size fits all" view - because X worked so wonderfully for them,
they tend to think it is the bee's knees for everything, which is
unfortunately not the case. Understandable, though. I sometimes feel
inspired this way myself - then something comes along to bring me firmly
back down to earth and makes me realize how little I really know.
Ian
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Subject: [eSens] Re: root cause of ES/experts
Similar to what I was thinking with Cara's post about the whey
reaction too.
I have had the very same problem with people who market themselves as
healer types, and know less than me. Almost enough to make me go
into business for myself, but don't need the hassle.
I've had people say "no one can be allergic to that", and other such
b.s.
A friend recently told me her naturopath, which I happen to know is
truly a quack, "cured her of fibromyalgia" treated her for
trichinosis. Well, if that was her problem, then fibromyalgia was
not her problem. It could be misdiagnosed as such, but to say the
latter is "always" the cause of the former is downright ignorant!It
just ticks me off, besides it gives a bad name to what could be the
most helpful resources available to mankind.
Listen to yourself always. I've used some Chinese herbs sparingly
over the past couple years, as I know someone new in that area.
However I still go online and look up the info. on each ingredient.
I'll give things a try, but in the dose I feel is right for me, which
is usually much less than recommended to start. Being people with CFS
usually are more sensitive to medicines and such to start, they are
only suppose to prescribe half the normal dose anyway.
For me, most Chinese herbs do not seem to work as well as U.S. That
may be because of not enough info. of what to suggest by the
practitioner, but also many, many of them I find lower blood
pressure, and blood sugar, which I already have both of, and have
nearly passed out taking these herbs a couple times.
Not to say they're all bad. Astragalus has great benefit for me.
Anyhow, there is something to be said for using botanicals that are
native to the area you are from. They just seem better adapted to
the area, same as we become adapted to where we are. Just like gut
flora and water conditons in various countries.
Done ranting.
Hope all have had a nice Thanksgiving in the U.S., by the way.
Sincerely,
~ Snoshoe
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[hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> wrote:
>
> I see what you mean, ian, about ES being so difficult to tackle
> because no one really knows the root cause, including the 'experts'.
>
> I know that i got very ill after taking this chinese herb for 18
> months - the change in my physical health over that time was
> dramatic - but i don't know exactly WHAT the herb did to me, but it
> is as if something got (irreprerably?) broken.
>
> I do not have enough money to spend on 'experts', and i'm afraid i
do
> not trust them, precisely because there is so much in it for them
> financially to keep telling me that their way will work. I think
> they can become narrow minded and convinced that THEIR way is the
> only way, i don't think they're trying to con me, i believe that
they
> believe it themselves, but that doesn't mean its correct.
>
> They are the ones who should pay US! Because we in effect are the
> means by which they do their research. Go halves at least!
>
> Whats more these theories seem to come and go, a treatment that is
> hailed as a cure for this that and the other one decade is
discovered
> to be harmful the next. "Pagano" now seems to be a dirty word, for
> example.
>
> Who's to say that the obsessiveness and unhappinness and self-
> flagellation that these incredibly strict diets induce don't
> perpetuate ES? In some instances they just seem to be displacing
the
> illness, ie all that happens is that the focus changes. Instead of
> spending ones whole life battling against the MW RF you spend your
> whole life trying to eliminate the metals or parasites or whatever
in
> your gut.
>
> Why do our bodies cease to be able to look after themselves?
>
> One thing that is for sure, this illness is BUMMER.
>
> J
>
> PS. When in a previous post i described MW RF as the root cause,
> what i meant was that of the EMFs that a person might be feeling
they
> have become suscepbible to, the MW RF is likely to be a major
factor.
>
>
>
> --- In
[hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@u...>
wrote:
> >
> > I think what this shows, again, is that we are all individuals
and
> that we
> > can all have individual reactions. I know that whey protein has
> helped a
> > good number of people. On the other hand, others don't get on
with
> it at
> > all (I think Sue had an adverse reaction).
> >
> >
> >
> > "Experts" are OK as long as they, and we, recognize that general
> principles
> > may be overruled for a particular person's metabolism. In the
case
> of
> > deep-seated chronic illness, it seems to me that too many doctors
> and
> > nutritionists have been happy to peddle the drugs, supplements or
> herbs that
> > help 90-95% of people, without doing tests to see whether the
> patient's
> > problems have a more deep-rooted underlying cause. It always
seemed
> > illogical to me to blame Sue's health problems on diet and to say
> she should
> > take lots of extra supplements, when she had always eaten very
> healthily -
> > more so than most people, including me!
> >
> >
> >
> > I guess the parallel I would suggest is - if a fuse in your car
> keeps
> > blowing, you don't just keep replacing it by thicker and thicker
> fuses (like
> > high-dose supplements) - you try to find out the short-circuit
that
> makes it
> > blow in the first place. Unfortunately we are even more complex
> than cars
> > when it comes to trying to trace problems!
> >
> >
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
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> > Sent: 23 November 2005 15:34
> > To:
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> > Subject: [eSens] colostrum update (bad reaction to whey protein)
> >
> >
> >
> > My husband has been having a flu-like reaction, apparently to raw
> milk and
> > colostrum for
> > several days now, but following his intuition he has continued to
> drink the
> > stuff and very little
> > else. Then, last night he drank some whey protein at our
> naturopath's
> > recommendation, to
> > prepare for a root canal extraction next week. His reaction to
the
> whey
> > protein was a striking
> > contrast to his reaction to the colostrum. He describes the
> difference as
> > good sick vs bad
> > sick, good pain vs. bad pain. Before he was feeling "regular
pain"
> like
> > someone might who
> > had the flu, and incidentally has slept better in the last few
> nights than
> > he had in a very long
> > time, perhaps years. But when he drank the whey protein, he
> actually felt
> > the chemical
> > reaction that the colostrum was promoting in his body stopped
cold.
> His
> > blood once again
> > feels "burning/stinging" (my word is "poisoned") the way it has
> throughout
> > most of his long
> > illness. He was too ill and miserable to sleep at all last night.
> >
> > We don't think our doctors ever mean any harm, but this is why we
> have
> > learned to be
> > skeptical of dietary and other expert medical advice. My husband
> says he
> > sensed his body
> > rejecting the whey protein before he even took it, but his
concern
> about
> > next week's dental
> > procedure overruled his intuition in this case. So, the moral of
> the story,
> > I guess, is to trust
> > our own bodies over the so-called experts. We'll be going back to
a
> mostly
> > raw milk and
> > colostrum fast (which was began inadvertently, by the way) and
see
> how that
> > goes. We do feel
> > that some important ground was lost last night, which is
> frustrating.
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