Thanks Ian, that's very well stated. This is precisely the hypothesis my husband and I are
using as we tackle our health conditions. Since my case is more recent and not nearly as
severe as my husband's, I can already say that I feel 70% better than I didseveral months
ago. Strictly avoiding the worst EMF sources (for me, cell phone, ungrounded laptop
computer) made a difference almost immediately. But, as I don't believe strict avoidance is
sustainable long term (esp. given the political issues and widespread denial), I am also
making dietary changes, using supplements, and having all amalgam fillings removed. I
will never fall back into my former pattern of high cell phone and carelesscomputer use
again. BUT my hope is to not have to move into the wilderness and avoid allEMF sources
altogether.
compromised than I. Our hope with him is, like Ian says, to identify the "root cause" or
immune system that his many, complicated health issues will finally begin to respond to
>
> We'd agree from our experience that both total exclusion diets and total
> avoidance of RF/MW/electric fields are (a) extremely hard to achieve in
> practice and (b) utterly miserable because they place so many restrictions
> on "normal" life.
>
>
>
> However I think this makes Evie's point even more cogent. If there is any
> chance that it is some third underlying factor that has weakened the immune
> system and triggered BOTH the gut dysbiosis and the ES, then it may be
> possible to tackle that and get an improvement, without needing either an
> extreme exclusion diet or a move to a remote place.
>
>
>
> The case histories I have seen from people in this yahoogroup and outside
> seem to suggest that this is the most common route to ES, i.e. ME, MCS and
> ES follow on from some original root cause which may be one (or several) of
> a huge variety. Prolonged stress or antibiotic treatment, candida
> overgrowth, Epstein-Barr and other viruses, Lyme disease, food allergies or
> intolerance, underactive thyroid, excessive toxin load (e.g. from drug
> treatment), faulty liver detoxification pathways and dental cavitations have
> all been quoted as causes, both by doctors/writers in this field and by
> various different sufferers we have met. Then, later, some "trigger" that
> the person would easily have survived when healthy starts off the ES - e.g.
> mobile or DECT phone use, TV's and monitors, a scan, etc.
>
>
>
> So one could make a hypothesis that if the original root cause or causes
> could be identified and removed, and the immune system restored to a better
> state, the body might gradually recover from ES, even without an exclusion
> diet or total environmental avoidance.
>
>
>
> There seem to be several practical treatment snags. Firstly, by the time
> one has ES the body is so weak that one seems to test positive for many or
> all of the above things, so it's difficult to detect the original root
> cause. With food allergies, one seems to become intolerant to almost
> everything - made even worse if you then get "leaky gut". Secondly, I have
> the impression that there is a marked "hysteresis effect" - i.e. once one
> has got ES, even low levels of exposure seem to cause problems, much lower
> than the original "trigger exposure". And each exposure causes more pain,
> stress and related factors (pain and stress themselves can cause gut
> problems).
>
>
>
> So the hope would be that finding the root cause, sorting it out and helping
> the immune system, plus avoidance of e-smog exposure as much as possible,
> could lead to a gradual recovery from ES which allows normal life to be
> partly resumed (while taking continued care about avoiding masts, mobile
> phones etc as the sufferer will always have an underlying susceptibility).
>
>
>
> Do I get the feeling that some people in this group have tried this route
> and seen some improvement?
>
>
>
> This treatment pattern would also be similar to that for severe candidiasis
> - a rigorous (extreme) exclusion diet for about 3 months, with no
> yeast/bread, sugar or dairy products or even fruit and nuts, followed by a
> return to a more balanced rotation diet when the symptoms clear. This
> seemed to work for Sue.
>
>
>
> Sorry this was so long!
>
>
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From:
[hidden email] [mailto:
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> canaryyuk
> Sent: 22 November 2005 13:57
> To:
[hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Reply to Evie
>
>
>
> As i have said in another post, my theory is that MW RF is the root
> cause of my gut dysbiosis, it therefore makes sense to cut THAT out.
>
> The alternative for me would be going on a lifelong diet that
> excludes a monumental amount of foodstuffs, we're talking the kind of
> diet someone whith terminal cancer would baulk at considering.
>
> I get irritated when i feel that ppl on such hugely restrictive diets
> are not open about how UTTERLY MISERABLE the diet makes them. If
> diets were easy there would be no overweight people on the planet.
> There would be no drug addicts or alcoholics either. Its all the
> same thing, addiction. It is a well known fact that only a tiny
> percentage of drug addicts, or alcoholics succeed in conquering their
> habit. I imagine the same goes for people when faced with the
> prospect of a life without a SINGLE dietary reward. ITS BOLLOCKS.
>
> So maybe this illness separates the men from the boys. Some will
> succeed, even thrive. Many others will just limp along their whole
> lives.
>
> So be it.
>
> --- In
[hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
> >
> > hi again, Jane,
> >
> > When I wrote you re the spelt, quercitin, etc.... I wrote
> because I assume that the ppl who are ES and react positively to a
> diet change do so because they have a condition OTHER than ES that is
> necessitating that diet change. IE: coeliac disease, dysbiosis,
> diabetes, hypothyroid..... I don't believe anyone without a
> condition necessitating a diet change will react positively to one,
> whether one has ES or not. However, there are many underlying,
> little recognized conditions which DO necessitate a diet change and
> if you have one of these conditions, you had better be prepared to
> deal with it or you will never recover from the underlying condition
> or from ES. Floating down the river of DeNile is never a good
> thing. ;)
> >
> > Good health to you,
> > Diane aka Evie
> >
> > canaryyuk <canary65@t...> wrote:
> > It seems to me there are 2 main ways of alleviating ES and ppl
> choose
> > which one suits them best. One can either follow a strict
> exclusion
> > diet (for life) or one can choose to create or move to an
> > environmental exclusion zone.
> >
> > Personally, i lean towards the latter option. I have a healthy
> well
> > balanced diet, all organic, home-cooked foods, i pay attention to
> > what i eat, but i do not feel that exclusion diets (for me at any
> > rate) are a realistic option. The resultant misery is as bad as
> the
> > illness itself. The average human's attachment to food and the
> > rewards it offers, run deep, and cannot be dismissed lightly.
> >
> > I totally agree that ppl should educate themselves about diet and
> try
> > and curb the worst excesses but i do not feel that adopting an ever
> > more exlusive diet in order to compensate for an increasingly toxic
> > external environment is the way forward, for me at least.
> >
> > jane
> >
> >
> > --- In
[hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Electromagnetic fields are a potent toxin, a 24/7 stresssor.
> > Of
> > > > course any toxin/stress will affect more adversely anyone who
> is
> > already a bit weak
> > > > or sensitive. This does not mean that the most sensible
> > approach only
> > > > involves trying to strengthen those exhibiting sensitivity,
> > though, does it?
> > >
> > > Well, someone who is already "a bit weak or sensitive" most
> likely
> > got that
> > > way through previous traumas, toxins or poor nutrition. That is
> > NOT to
> > > say that I'm blaming the victim, as in many cases people do not
> > choose
> > > to be traumatized or poisoned...
> > >
> > > And the most sensible approach is the one which works. Certainly
> > some
> > > avoidance & fixing wiring errors or faulty electronics may be
> > required
> > > or helpful, but that will often only take you so far in your
> > recovery.
> > > The rest has to come from improving one's overall health.
> > >
> > > I'm sure it's theoretically possible that a perfectly healthy
> person
> > > could get ES purely through exposure to EMF. However, I think a
> > more
> > > typical scenario would be multi-factoral. For example, a buildup
> of
> > > heavy metals in the system, a lack of fatty acids or minerals in
> the
> > > diet, an ongoing infection, etc.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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