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Drasko Cvijovic
Is there anybody who can positively distinguish his symptoms coming from (unknown) source of EMF, from those arousing from chemical exposure, flu, and other similar causes?

I can't be very sure myself.

Drasko


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Re: symptoms distinguishing

Marc Martin
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> Is there anybody who can positively distinguish his symptoms coming from
> (unknown) source of EMF, from those arousing from chemical exposure, flu,
> and other similar causes?

I have often had a difficult time at first, but by continually repeating
my exposure to something, I can usually eventually figure out what's
going on. Especially if I can take the suspected cause and move it
with me to a different environment and then check again.

Marc

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Re: symptoms distinguishing

Andrew McAfee
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I am not absolutely sure about what you are asking but I will answer
with how I understand your question.

I get specific and predictable sensations when I am around cell phones
or cell towers. I will first feel a burning on my face, ears or under
my eyes and then a sharp spike on the top of my head. If I continue to
stay in that area the top of my head will get hotter and the sharp pain
will increase. I will next feel a pain in my lower left abdomen and
then my focus gets blurry, my focus, concentration and memory is lost,
and I get irritated. If I'm in the area long enough, my energy crashes
and my chest gets heavy. This is from microwave/radio (cell phone, TV
tower, etc) radiation.
I don't know how it is related to chemicals or the toxins already
inside me. I believe there is interaction and subsequent causality and
I have take great steps to detox, etc. and rebuild my enzymes, nerves,
cell functions, DNA, etc....
According to the research I have read, EMF is enough to cause these
symptoms without the chemicals. There are huge chemical reactions in
conjunction with chemicals, pesticides, etc.
The Aventis flu vaccine has Triton X-100 as well as Mercury
(Thimerosal) and formaldehyde (a known carcinogen). Triton X-100 can
severely disrupt acetylcholinesterase (an essential neurotransmitter
enzyme) activity if you have been exposed to Parathione (a common
pesticide).
The one thing I think you will understand and those on this list in
particular is that the symptoms that I get are absolutely predictable,
usually happen in order and are only triggered around cell phones and
other radio/microwave radiation. I get different symptoms from magnetic
fields around wiring and appliances.
Hope this is what you were looking for.
Andrew
On Oct 21, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Drasko Cvijovic wrote:

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> from (unknown) source of EMF, from those arousing from chemical
> exposure, flu, and other similar causes?
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> I can't be very sure myself.
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RE: symptoms distinguishing

Glenn Coleman
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The one symptom I notice that is different for me with ES vs chemical
exposure is headaches. Normally I don't get headaches from ES, but do with
chemicals. Otherwise my symptoms between the two are very similar. I also
find that when I get real bad ES, that it gives me more neurological
imbalance than that of chemicals.

Glenn

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:18:43 -0700

Is there anybody who can positively distinguish his symptoms coming from
(unknown) source of EMF, from those arousing from chemical exposure, flu,
and other similar causes?

I can't be very sure myself.

Drasko


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Re: symptoms distinguishing

David Fancy
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Hi Andrew,

Your description of symptoms is uncannily familiar: particulalry the sharp pain in the lower
left abdomen. I've gotthat too, many times. The pain seems to have largely gone away
following the ejuva cleanse I did, although after prolonged exposure, I can feel it hinting at
a return. I'm consulting a variety of doctors, but haven't been able to get a stright answer
yet as to what organ is actually in pain when this occurs. Any suggestions anyone?

David


--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote:

> I am not absolutely sure about what you are asking but I will answer
> with how I understand your question.
>
> I get specific and predictable sensations when I am around cell phones
> or cell towers. I will first feel a burning on my face, ears or under
> my eyes and then a sharp spike on the top of my head. If I continue to
> stay in that area the top of my head will get hotter and the sharp pain
> will increase. I will next feel a pain in my lower left abdomen and
> then my focus gets blurry, my focus, concentration and memory is lost,
> and I get irritated. If I'm in the area long enough, my energy crashes
> and my chest gets heavy. This is from microwave/radio (cell phone, TV
> tower, etc) radiation.
> I don't know how it is related to chemicals or the toxins already
> inside me. I believe there is interaction and subsequent causality and
> I have take great steps to detox, etc. and rebuild my enzymes, nerves,
> cell functions, DNA, etc....
> According to the research I have read, EMF is enough to cause these
> symptoms without the chemicals. There are huge chemical reactions in
> conjunction with chemicals, pesticides, etc.
> The Aventis flu vaccine has Triton X-100 as well as Mercury
> (Thimerosal) and formaldehyde (a known carcinogen). Triton X-100 can
> severely disrupt acetylcholinesterase (an essential neurotransmitter
> enzyme) activity if you have been exposed to Parathione (a common
> pesticide).
> The one thing I think you will understand and those on this list in
> particular is that the symptoms that I get are absolutely predictable,
> usually happen in order and are only triggered around cell phones and
> other radio/microwave radiation. I get different symptoms from magnetic
> fields around wiring and appliances.
> Hope this is what you were looking for.
> Andrew
> On Oct 21, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Drasko Cvijovic wrote:
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> > Is there anybody who can positively distinguish his symptoms coming
> > from (unknown) source of EMF, from those arousing from chemical
> > exposure, flu, and other similar causes?
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> > I can't be very sure myself.
> >
> > Drasko
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: symptoms distinguishing

bbin37
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I have a tough time with this, too, Drasko. When I get symptoms after
smelling something, many times something nobody else around me can
smell as well, I usually attribute it to a CS reaction to an aerosol
or fume. If I feel a symptom arising first in an appendage or
specific energy center other than in the head and/or accompanied by
sensing a field, I attribute it to EM. Other than that I can't be
sure what the trigger was unless it is something visibly obvious like
a nearby cell phone or I have a reaction soon after eating/drinking
something. And I've found that exposure to one type of incitant
sensitizes me more strongly to the other.

Beau
--- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote:
> Is there anybody who can positively distinguish his symptoms coming
from (unknown) source of EMF, from those arousing from chemical
exposure, flu, and other similar causes?
>
> I can't be very sure myself.
>
> Drasko
>
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