submarine radar

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> Dear Group,
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> I am moving to the Seattle area.  There is a big naval base there (Naval Base Kitsap, in Bangor, Bremerton, and Keyport).  It provides naval work throughout the Puget Sound area.  There are a lot of submarines, I believe, as the Bangor base is a submarine base.
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> The map shows that my hometown will be ~5 miles from the submarine base.  Though my entire area (a peninsula) will be surrounded by Puget Sound, with water being ~5 miles away on one side, ~3-4 miles away on another side, and ~1-2 miles away on another side.
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> I'm writing to ask about the radar that submarines use.  I understand that that is how they navigate, how they "see" what's beneath, and above, the water.
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> Does anyone know, if this might affect me, on land?
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> In online reading, I saw that submarine radar can detect aircraft (above surface) up to 20 miles away.
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> I'm suddenly worried about this, as I'm living in a very toxic place right now and getting sicker, and Seattle was my escape route.
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> Do people have opinions or experience, about whether submarine radar is a problem?
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> Are there specific questions I could ask, if I contacted this naval base?
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> Thank you for any help,
> Sue
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> > Submarine ELF communications could also be a problem, but maybe they shut off a lot of that stuff when they're in port.
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> I've been all around the Seattle area, and never noticed any symptoms that
> I would attribute to radar.  Although I know that in the Everett area, there
> are complaints about military radar causing people's garage doors to open!
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> I'd think the big problem in the Seattle area would be the usual culprits --
> cellphone towers & wi-fi.  And some places close to the Puget Sound
> probably don't even have those... I know that in our trips to Orcas
> Island, there are places not far outside of the main town that have
> no cellphone coverage (Verizon or AT&T).
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> Marc
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> > Finally, one of my 2 favorite graduate school professors lives on Orcas Island!  (Christine Downing)  
> > I was hoping I might get to visit her, once I move and recuperate.
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> Note that Orcas Island *might* have Smart Meters -- at least, they look kind of like Smart Meters
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> so maybe not.  At least there aren't very many of them (since hardly anyone lives there), and
> they usually put them out by the road, not on the houses.
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> I don't know of any other place in western Washington that has Smart Meters, so that
> shouldn't be a general concern.
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> Marc
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> Hi Sue,
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> I don't have any experience with submarines, but above land, there are
> far more transmitters to be concerned about.
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> I have a friend with EHS who moved here this year, to get _away_ from
> Tacoma. She was too close to the base there. Who can tell if it was the
> density of the neighborhood, or the towers, or all the radar the base
> itself puts out, or the planes individual emissions and radar always
> flying overhead.
> She feels much better here now, and didn't realize her health problem is
> EHS until she experienced the difference, after getting better here,
> when she revisited Tacoma.
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> I can't see moving to any urban area like that as being good. The best
> thing I can recommend is avoidance and distance.
> I'm just barely far enough away from One tower at 7 miles,
> http://seahorseCorral.org/images/lambert/aster_N48W119_antennas_1024e.jpg
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> and the problem that concerns me now is primarily the neighbors, now All
> 5 with WiFi. The fact that the power density of such signals are so
> small says something about the sensitivity level of our bodies once we
> become affected by EMR. But it is still Far better than how I feel in
> urban areas.
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> When I look at the WA coast, where I moved from 10 years ago, there are
> now towers every 3.5 miles or less.
> http://seahorseCorral.org/images/aster_N46W124_antennas_1024e.jpg
> No hope of me moving back around there! See the difference?
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> And if I were to take a month to map the thousands of towers in the
> Seattle-metro area, it would be too overwhelming for me.
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> Recently I talked about finding dead zones here.
> I can confirm when driving west to Tonasket, there is a 22 mile stretch
> of Hwy 20 that has no cellular reception. That is not a misprint. It
> probably won't last with all the funding going into wireless
> infrastructure, but... it does show there are still quieter places to live.
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> Stewart
> http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html
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> lolahunt3 wrote:
> > I am moving to the Seattle area.  There is a big naval base there (Naval Base Kitsap, in Bangor, Bremerton, and Keyport).  It provides naval work throughout the Puget Sound area.  There are a lot of submarines, I believe, as the Bangor base is a submarine base.
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> Wow Stuart, you're blessed to live 7 miles from a tower.
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> It's awful here in the suburbs of St. Louis  Towers every 1 -2  miles.
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> For the person moving. Move as far from a tower as possible.
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> Not too possible unless you move away from a city.
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> Search attennasearch.com & talk to the city clerk of any area you're interested in
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> new applications  for towers have been filed. And to check the validity of the website
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> Kathy
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> I have a friend with EHS who moved here this year, to get _away_ from
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> Tacoma. She was too close to the base there. Who can tell if it was the
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> density of the neighborhood, or the towers, or all the radar the base
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> itself puts out, or the planes individual emissions and radar always
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> flying overhead.
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> She feels much better here now, and didn't realize her health problem is
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> EHS until she experienced the difference, after getting better here,
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> when she revisited Tacoma.
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> I can't see moving to any urban area like that as being good. The best
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> thing I can recommend is avoidance and distance.
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> I'm just barely far enough away from One tower at 7 miles,
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> http://seahorseCorral.org/images/lambert/aster_N48W119_antennas_1024e.jpg
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> and the problem that concerns me now is primarily the neighbors, now All
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> 5 with WiFi. The fact that the power density of such signals are so
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> small says something about the sensitivity level of our bodies once we
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> become affected by EMR. But it is still Far better than how I feel in
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> urban areas.
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> Good to know, Marc. Thank you. My landlady said that there is a  
> Smart Meter on her property, but that it only transmits once per  
> day, at midnight.
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> Sue
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> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
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> > > Finally, one of my 2 favorite graduate school professors lives  
> on Orcas Island! (Christine Downing)
> > > I was hoping I might get to visit her, once I move and recuperate.
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> > Note that Orcas Island *might* have Smart Meters -- at least, they  
> look kind of like Smart Meters
> > (LCD display with digital numbers). However, I didn't notice  
> anything from standing next to them,
> > so maybe not. At least there aren't very many of them (since  
> hardly anyone lives there), and
> > they usually put them out by the road, not on the houses.
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> > I don't know of any other place in western Washington that has  
> Smart Meters, so that
> > shouldn't be a general concern.
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> > Marc
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> Sue, do you know if the smart meter is for gas or electric?  Is it  
> wired or wireless?  Here in the S.F. Bay Area, the gas meters are  
> wireless, but they are battery powered and don't transmit often--I  
> think only once a month.  However, the electric smart meters are  
> wireless.  The power company, Pacific Gas and Electric, says that the  
> meters transmit DATA only 45 seconds per day. HOWEVER, they transmit  
> RF 24/7, up to 22,000 times a day, while "talking" to each other to  
> keep the network up.
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> This video measuring the output of smart meters in San Francisco was  
> made by a woman I'm acquainted with.  You can hear the clicks on her  
> analyzer when the meters are emitting.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-Nl8gGWQk&list=PLA69545E741F08AA2&index=7&feature=plpp_video
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> Is your landlady sure it only transmits once per day or is that what  
> the power company has told her?  PG&E was telling us the smart meters  
> only transmitted six times per day, for a total of 45 seconds.  
> However, they finally admitted at a CPUC meeting that they were  
> referring to transmission of data, and that in fact, the meters were  
> constantly transmitting RF to keep the network functioning.  It might  
> be worth checking into it further before you move.
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> Esther
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> On Dec 15, 2011, at 8:25 PM, lolahunt3 wrote:
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> > Good to know, Marc. Thank you. My landlady said that there is a  
> > Smart Meter on her property, but that it only transmits once per  
> > day, at midnight.
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> > Sue
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> > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
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> > > > Finally, one of my 2 favorite graduate school professors lives  
> > on Orcas Island! (Christine Downing)
> > > > I was hoping I might get to visit her, once I move and recuperate.
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> > > Note that Orcas Island *might* have Smart Meters -- at least, they  
> > look kind of like Smart Meters
> > > (LCD display with digital numbers). However, I didn't notice  
> > anything from standing next to them,
> > > so maybe not. At least there aren't very many of them (since  
> > hardly anyone lives there), and
> > > they usually put them out by the road, not on the houses.
> > >
> > > I don't know of any other place in western Washington that has  
> > Smart Meters, so that
> > > shouldn't be a general concern.
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> > > Marc
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> Esther,
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> I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. I got horribly Electrically  
> Sensitive, because of living in Berkeley, with 31 Smart Meters  
> within 100 feet of my bedroom. I have an RF meter, it was no mystery  
> to me -- the meters were sending out wireless radiation once every 8  
> seconds.
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> My landlady in Seattle has severe chemical sensitivites, and is a  
> big part of the environmental sensitivities community. She says that  
> the emf activists say that the meters only transmit one time in 24  
> hours, at midnight. She says they are doing activist work, though,  
> to make it so that those with sensitivities can opt out of that one  
> time per day.
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> It is probably a good idea, as you say, to try to get more  
> information before I go. But I'm so sick where I am, from the  
> neighbor's renovations, that I can't imagine I'll be sicker in  
> Seattle.
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> All best,
> Sue
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> Is your landlady sure it only transmits once per day or is that what  
> the power company has told her?  PG&E was telling us the smart meters  
> only transmitted six times per day, for a total of 45 seconds.  
> However, they finally admitted at a CPUC meeting that they were  
> referring to transmission of data, and that in fact, the meters were  
> constantly transmitting RF to keep the network functioning.  It might  
> be worth checking into it further before you move.
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> Esther

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> Hi Sue,
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> I grew up in Seattle, many, many years ago.  I checked earlier this  
> year to see if Seattle's power company had smart meters, but it didn't  
> look like they have them yet.  I read something about a pilot program  
> at the U Dub in the dorms.  My sister lives in south Seattle, and  
> doesn't have a smart meter as far as I know.  I tell her about them  
> all the time, trying to warn her what is coming.
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> It does sound reassuring that your landlady is connected to what is  
> going on, and if the emf activists are checking the meters out, that  
> also sounds very reassuring.  I don't know when they will be  
> installing meters here in my neighborhood in Daly City.  I need to  
> think about moving, but I'm getting up in years and am far too sick to  
> even envision how it could be possible to do it.  But if Orcas Island  
> is relatively safe, I'm going to keep that in mind since my sister  
> would be relatively close.  Let us know if and when you move, and how  
> it works out for you.  I truly hope for that it turns out great for  
> you, and you heal a whole lot.
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> Esther
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> On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:14 PM, lolahunt3 wrote:
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> > Esther,
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> > I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. I got horribly Electrically  
> > Sensitive, because of living in Berkeley, with 31 Smart Meters  
> > within 100 feet of my bedroom. I have an RF meter, it was no mystery  
> > to me -- the meters were sending out wireless radiation once every 8  
> > seconds.
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> > My landlady in Seattle has severe chemical sensitivites, and is a  
> > big part of the environmental sensitivities community. She says that  
> > the emf activists say that the meters only transmit one time in 24  
> > hours, at midnight. She says they are doing activist work, though,  
> > to make it so that those with sensitivities can opt out of that one  
> > time per day.
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> > It is probably a good idea, as you say, to try to get more  
> > information before I go. But I'm so sick where I am, from the  
> > neighbor's renovations, that I can't imagine I'll be sicker in  
> > Seattle.
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> > All best,
> > Sue
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> --- On Mon, 12/19/11, lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...> wrote:
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>   It is probably a good idea, as you say, to try to get more
> information before I go. But I'm so sick where I am, from the
> neighbor's renovations, that I can't imagine I'll be sicker in
> Seattle.
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> Sue,
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> I am just catching up on my email.  I thought I would respond with my opinion about Seattle.
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> You could end up sick in Seattle too, depending on where you live.  I posted a message on 9-28-11 entitled "Yikes, Dual Polarization Doppler Radar Here".  The dual polarization radar beam at Langley sweeps the Puget Sound area, including Seattle and Tacoma. There is also other weather radar locations around town. Seattle is a Port city and there is also ship radar.  I live in Seattle, but I am not reacting to the weather radar and ship radar that I know of.  But I do react to the gigantic radio towers on Queen Anne Hill and on Beacon HIll when I come within about 1/4 mile from them.  They are seriously nasty and the entire downtown area is getting hammered by them. 
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> Downtown Seattle is on fire from cell towers everywhere too,  I have difficulty shopping anywhere in or around Seattle without getting exposed.  There is a line of panel antenna on the side wall of the building across the street from the Municipal Court Building downtown, beaming right into the court rooms and Police Unit.  How would you like to work there?  I call it the Wall of Death.   I haven't checked if there is a cell tower on top of the Jail, but I bet there is, as extra punishment.  I know that University of Washington Hospital has a tower on top of it as well as several other hospitals.  The rest of Seattle and its suburbs is also a radiation nightmare  from cell towers and Wi-Fi.  They are everywhere and it is difficult to find an affordable apartment that is not being exposed to one or both. 
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> In Seattle most people are oblivious to microwaves and are extremely compliant with whatever the Cell Phone companies want to do.  This town has allowed cell phone towers on top of most all of the water tower reservoirs, so that tap water is full of frequencies.  There are so many power sub-stations around town that the ground is full of stray currents and dirty electricity.   Cell towers are allowed on school grounds, on top of apartment buildings (many of them hidden, so the residents are not aware), and people are going wireless with wreckless abandon.  If you rent from HUD, beware, most public housing buildings have cell towers on top of them.  Seattle has several Microwave Ghettos, if you want to try and get cheaper rent, watch out.  But then, even some millionaire homes and neighborhoods are being heavily exposed.  Cell tower construction has really proliferated in the last couple of years here.  They are going up like crazy and they are
>  crowding them closer and closer together. 
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> I shudder to think of what I will be confronted with when I start looking for another apartment.  The one I am in is the worst you can imagine.  I know I will have to leave Seattle soon because of the Thyroid and Thymus pain and skin burning from the exposure around here.  I cannot drive anywhere in or around Seattle without getting hit.  I know the microwave radiation levels in Seattle will get worse before it gets better.  But I don't want to wait around to find out.  Time to bail out to try and heal.  This town really needs to wake up and FAST!  The world needs to wake up.
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> Just my 2 cents
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> C. Johnson
> Superdrove@...
> Wireless Refugee
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