springlife polarizers or harmonic protectors?

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Hillel Wahrman

springlife polarizers or harmonic protectors?

After reading some of the posts here, and remembering that I once had a
detox reaction to a certain black gem, I figured I should try one of these
devices that are mentioned here on the list. It is expensive for me to order
these things into Israel, and include shipping. Which of the two do you all
think is better to buy first, the springlife polarizes or the harmonic
protectors?

Hillel
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Subject: [eSens] Digest Number 453

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> There are 8 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. new here, hello......i just recieved two harmonic protectors
> From: "xkace" <[hidden email]>
> 2. Re: new here, hello......i just recieved two After
> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> 3. Re: new here, hello......i just recieved two harmonic protectors
> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> 4. Re: new here, hello......i just recieved two harmonic protectors
> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> 5. Re: new here, hello......i just recieved two harmonic protectors
> From: "xkace" <[hidden email]>
> 6. reply to Drasko re. ground current
> From: [hidden email]
> 7. reply to Drasko re. dowsing
> From: [hidden email]
> 8. Re: reply to Drasko re. ground current
> From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:04:51 -0000
> From: "xkace" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: new here, hello......i just recieved two harmonic protectors
>
> i have two harmonic protectors and i am trying to choose which one to
> keep, the other is a gift.
>
> one of them i feel a smooth sensation from and it is very nice to wear
> all day and all night.
>
> the other i cant wear for more then a few hours before i cant stand it
> anymore and must take it off for a while. it seem to give me more of
> an alert type of energy, but also i am very anxious with it on (the
> other i can still feel lethargic a bit).
>
> note i have at least 15 mercury fillings and i live about fifteen
> yards from a cellphone tower.
>
> is the more aggressiv pendit the more theriputic and benificial for
> me? or should i stay with the other pendit that has a smooth and non
> aggitating energy to it?
>
> p.s. i have done extensive searches and readings of the past posts
> already regarding such a problem as the agitation..
>
> thanks
>
> kace
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:25:13 -0700
> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: new here, hello......i just recieved two harmonic protectors
>
> xkace wrote:
> > i have two harmonic protectors and i am trying to choose which one to
> > keep, the other is a gift.
>
> Are these 2 harmonic protectors supposed to be the same item, and
> yet they give 2 completely different reactions? Interesting...
>
> Was one made at a different time than the other?
>
> Personally, anything that makes me anxious and agitated, I get rid
> of. Anything that makes me fatigued, nauseous, or gives me a headache,
> I keep. Call me silly, but that's what I do! I suspect that they
> are all some sort of "detox" effect, but the anxious/agitated
> effect is really quite alarming to me, while the other symptoms
> are more tolerable. And those latter symptoms usually go away
> in a few days anyway. Note that I've never tried to see if the
> anxious/agitated symptoms go away, as I always get rid of the
> cause rather quickly.
>
> Note that I had a harmonic protector once, and I had the anxious/
> anxiety/energetic reaction as well. I got rid of it. That does
> leave me more lethargic than I might be otherwise, but I try
> to increase my energy with something more tolerable, like
> coconut oil (which can cause headaches & nausea if I take too much)
>
> > note i have at least 15 mercury fillings and i live about fifteen
> > yards from a cellphone tower.
>
> Note that I had these sort of reactions even after my mercury fillings
> were long gone... although 15 mercury fillings could indicate a
> mercury/ES connection...
>
> Marc
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:32:52 -0700
> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: new here, hello......i just recieved two harmonic protectors
>
> > Personally, anything that makes me anxious and agitated, I get rid
> > of. Anything that makes me fatigued, nauseous, or gives me a headache,
> > I keep.
>
> Oh, I should mention one more thing -- things which make me anxious/
> agitated/energetic also INCREASE my senstivity to EMF, so they
> don't seem to be EMF protectors to me at all -- the make my
> problem worse!
>
> Note that I've had the same reaction to the Harmonic Protector
> as I did to taking capsules of the supplement "Modifilan"
> (concentrated seaweed for radiation/heavy metal detox) or
> eating chia seeds (supposed to super-healthy).
>
> Marc
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:17:08 -0700
> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: new here, hello......i just recieved two harmonic protectors
>
> Another thought... you could email the inventors of the
> Harmonic Protector and ask them what they think of your
> different reactions to the different pendants.
>
> This is their page for the Harmonic Protector:
>
> http://worldwithoutparasites.com/The_Harmonic_Protector.html
>
> And this is the email address listed for their "Contact Us"
> information:
>
> [hidden email]
>
> I suspect the inventors would know more about this than
> anyone, and I'd be interested in hearing what they have
> to say about this subject.
>
> Marc
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:56:15 -0000
> From: "xkace" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: new here, hello......i just recieved two harmonic protectors
>
> yes they are both the same item, but the one that is agitating to me
> is actually a bit heavier. you can see in the design of it that there
> is a little more metal shavings in it.
>
> i think the indiscrepencies in manufacturing these items may give
> people who are very sensitive a different reaction. note my father
> feels no difference from either device and actually cant sense any
> effect of wearing them. we have had them for four days though.
> >
> > Are these 2 harmonic protectors supposed to be the same item, and
> > yet they give 2 completely different reactions? Interesting...
> >
>
> i am not sure if they were created at the same time or not.
>
> but thank you for your input..
>
> > Was one made at a different time than the other?
> >
>
> kace
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:11:13 EDT
> From: [hidden email]
> Subject: reply to Drasko re. ground current
>
> Drasko wrote:
>
> I want to tell you that you shouldn't believe everything you read. The

fact
> that 75% of current returns through ground is simply not even near truth.
>
> Shivani replies:
> E.P.R.I.( Electrical Power Research Institute), the official research
> and advisory body of the North American electrical utilities, stated in
1995
> that 70% of phase current returns to the substations via the earth. In
1998
> the final report of the science advisors to the Minnesota Public Utilites
> Commission found the same.
> In Wisconsin and other states the PSCs have given the utilites
> permission to ground the distribution pole neutrals, which are supposed to
return the
> current to the substations, onto the ground, from where it returns to the
> substations.
> Since the above statements were made, the % of high frequency in our
> loads has increased, so the % of current returning to the substations via
the
> earth has also increased since these findings were made public.
>
> Drasko wrote:
> Similarly, the issue with kHz pollution from home wiring also seems to be
> generally exaggerated in the texts that mains filter manufacturers
present,

> as I had already commented to you before. Something in kHz range does come
> out of wires but not nearly as they present.
>
> Shivani replies:
> Well, here you need to name the manufacturers you are talking about.
> The information on Stetzer's site is accurate. Others I am not familiar
> with.
> I commonly find levels of 200 or 300 GS units in homes. Even up to
> 1800! 20 is the "synptom-free" level.
> Of course, what will matter for each individual or family is exactly
> what their own exposure is. Only one way to know. Test.
>
> Drasko wrote:
> Anyway, I don't deny that the ground currents and "electropollution" (the
> way you define it) could have been a source of some trouble, but they give
> much smaller readings at the objective meters than you would have imagined
> it!
>
> Shivani replies:
> Please be specific. What kind of meters are you using, and what

kind

> of readings are you finding?
>
> Drasko wrote:
> I hope you don't mind a bit of criticism!
>
> Shivani replies:
> Criticism is pointless. Facts are what count.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:17:56 EDT
> From: [hidden email]
> Subject: reply to Drasko re. dowsing
>
> Drasko wrote to Shivani:
> > You should try more objective blind tests, such as that I mentioned -

the
> > readings of two dowsers for the same place should have been the same,
but
> > that rarely happens... I mean try to find another one if you dare :-)!
> >
> Shivani replies
> I gather Drasko is "daring" me to dowse something for him. Where
do
> you live, Drasko? Far from Wisconsin, I think? I live in WI.
> Anyway, I have tested myself against myself working blind and find I
get
> the same results. I definitely am able to note geopathic lines that
cause
> me leg cramps, chills, etc. if I sleep there. This allows me to choose
safe
> places to set up our camper or a bed when we travel, and that is enough to
> satisfy me. I am interested in pragmatic results that solve my
problems, not
> in long discussions about dousing.
> This is why I suggested to Drasko that he learn to dowse and do his
own
> dowsing. Then he can test himself to his heart's content, and maybe get
some

> relief.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:45:50 +0200
> From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: reply to Drasko re. ground current
>
> I am happy, Shivani, that you, as I do, appreciate facts!
> So let's check those two:
>
> 1. I must say I am really not familiar with the situation in US, but I

would
> appreciate if Beau or Emil or someone from US inclined to technical issues
> commented your statements about earth being used instead of neutral wire
> (what you said means that, practically). I can't believe it happens that
> way, but I am ready to hear the proven facts. At least you would have got
> constant readings at Gauss meters about 10-100 mG or even more near the
> street (low voltage) powerlines. (I think that someone has
missinterpreted
> something regarding the report you mention.)
>
> 2. "GS units" mean - nothing! I have seen myself that "Stetzer meters"
react
> to vicinity of wires, but what they measure I still don't know. As you
seem

> to be in a contact with them at Stetzer's you might ask what the GS units
> stand for. I am curious myself.
> I have numerous meters, and can hire others, so just let's talk about the
> figures! (Figures presuming usage of SI sistem of measurements what means
> values like Tesla, Volt, Watt, meter, second, etc. :-))
>
> Drasko
>
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> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:11 AM
> Subject: [eSens] reply to Drasko re. ground current
>
>
> > Drasko wrote:
> >
> > I want to tell you that you shouldn't believe everything you read. The
> fact
> > that 75% of current returns through ground is simply not even near

truth.
> >
> > Shivani replies:
> > E.P.R.I.( Electrical Power Research Institute), the official
research
> > and advisory body of the North American electrical utilities, stated in
> 1995
> > that 70% of phase current returns to the substations via the earth.
In
> 1998
> > the final report of the science advisors to the Minnesota Public
Utilites
> > Commission found the same.
> > In Wisconsin and other states the PSCs have given the utilites
> > permission to ground the distribution pole neutrals, which are supposed
to
> return the
> > current to the substations, onto the ground, from where it returns to
the
> > substations.
> > Since the above statements were made, the % of high frequency in
our
> > loads has increased, so the % of current returning to the substations
via
> the
> > earth has also increased since these findings were made public.
> >
> > Drasko wrote:
> > Similarly, the issue with kHz pollution from home wiring also seems to
be
> > generally exaggerated in the texts that mains filter manufacturers
> present,
> > as I had already commented to you before. Something in kHz range does
come
> > out of wires but not nearly as they present.
> >
> > Shivani replies:
> > Well, here you need to name the manufacturers you are talking
about.
> > The information on Stetzer's site is accurate. Others I am not
familiar
> > with.
> > I commonly find levels of 200 or 300 GS units in homes. Even up
to
> > 1800! 20 is the "synptom-free" level.
> > Of course, what will matter for each individual or family is
exactly
> > what their own exposure is. Only one way to know. Test.
> >
> > Drasko wrote:
> > Anyway, I don't deny that the ground currents and "electropollution"
(the
> > way you define it) could have been a source of some trouble, but they
give
> > much smaller readings at the objective meters than you would have
imagined

> > it!
> >
> > Shivani replies:
> > Please be specific. What kind of meters are you using, and what
> kind
> > of readings are you finding?
> >
> > Drasko wrote:
> > I hope you don't mind a bit of criticism!
> >
> > Shivani replies:
> > Criticism is pointless. Facts are what count.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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Marc Martin

Re: springlife polarizers or harmonic protectors?

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Hillel Wahrman wrote:
> Which of the two do you all
> think is better to buy first, the springlife polarizes or the harmonic
> protectors?

I'm not sure that many people on the list have had experience with
either, let alone both of these devices. I've tried them both,
but my experience may not match yours, as everyone is different.
My experience is that the Springlife Polarizers are much better
than the Harmonic Protector at making you feel better while
being exposed to EMF.

Marc

Marc Martin

Re: black gem

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In reply to this post by Hillel Wahrman

> After reading some of the posts here, and remembering that I once had a
> detox reaction to a certain black gem,

Was this "black gem" tourmaline? Someone recommended I try black
tourmaline for EMF protection, and I had bad reaction to it almost
immediately. I've never had much luck with gemstones for EMF
protection, although there are certainly a lot to try that I
haven't!

Marc

Hillel Wahrman

Re: black Gem

Hmm. I don't know the name of it. Sorry. If I had a picture I would send it
to you. It is black and looks a bit silver. I'll ask around,
This gem had a very bad effect on me, and I stopped using it. But I am sorry
I did, since I think it had a detox effect. I don't feel a thing from it
now. Either I feel better or the gem lost something,

Hillel

> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:51:46 -0700
> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: black gem
>
> > After reading some of the posts here, and remembering that I once had a
> > detox reaction to a certain black gem,
>
> Was this "black gem" tourmaline? Someone recommended I try black
> tourmaline for EMF protection, and I had bad reaction to it almost
> immediately. I've never had much luck with gemstones for EMF
> protection, although there are certainly a lot to try that I
> haven't!
>
> Marc
>
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Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)

Re: black Gem

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It sounds like haematite...which is black with a metallic sheen.

Sarah

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Hillel Wahrman
Sent: Monday, 1 August 2005 11:10 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: black Gem

Hmm. I don't know the name of it. Sorry. If I had a picture I would send
it to you. It is black and looks a bit silver. I'll ask around, This gem
had a very bad effect on me, and I stopped using it. But I am sorry I
did, since I think it had a detox effect. I don't feel a thing from it
now. Either I feel better or the gem lost something,

Hillel

> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:51:46 -0700
> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: black gem
>
> > After reading some of the posts here, and remembering that I once
> > had a detox reaction to a certain black gem,
>
> Was this "black gem" tourmaline? Someone recommended I try black
> tourmaline for EMF protection, and I had bad reaction to it almost
> immediately. I've never had much luck with gemstones for EMF
> protection, although there are certainly a lot to try that I haven't!
>
> Marc
>
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