shielding (was: new member)

Sue and Andrew,
The issue of shielding is something that also I am concerned with! The issue is rather complex, and any observation of yours is a valuable part of the puzzle we need to complete! I would appreciate keeping in constant touch with you, and would we start bothering the others at this list, who don't want that much technnical stuff, Marc please warn us to move to private corrspondence!

1. First of all it is rather difficult to talk about shieldings without propper meters. But I am affraid that Andrew would be dissapointed how little help they make and how imperfect they are even for a lot of money. Still, we are talking about a physical value, EMF, so we can't make it without meters!
2. Although I do have meters, they don't give complate picture, as I have presented in my Prague paper. Readings don' t fully match the feeling! I have already posted that paper to this list twice, so if anybody still needs it please let me know.

I am working on collecting fragmental facts, that once could form complete picture. Most of those facts have been mentioned in that paper, but here are some again:

* Low readings are not a guaranty you would feel fine, while high are that you would feel bad.
* Shielding can be a source of trouble for itself, Some attribute it to antenna or reflection effect, but I am almost sure there is more to it, as often you get lower readings but more trouble with shiledings which are solid like aluminum foil or dense metal fabric. Mesh gives better results.
* Cloudy weather, and the night do make things worse even when you can't percieve it (room without windows).
* Some say that getting used to specific EMF surrounding makes things better, while some say it makes it worse. Possibly there are both aspects in some way...
Etc.

I would be looking forward to particular questions of yours, and to your reports on your findings!


Drasko


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Drasko,

I am very interested in how the various meters work and how accurate they are. I just happen to be a person who has moved a lot, so I have a wide range of experiences of being extremely well and extremely sick. The extremely sick has always been somewhere near these towers and I just started thinking my illness was from the towers a couple years ago. Since then, all experiments I conduct with myself confirm that is what it is. However, I had a person read EMF here and at a place I felt great. I lived at the other place 10 years ago, so it is not a great comparison, but the reading was HIGHER there. But, I am certain that some sort of radiation from these towers is what is causing my illness. I can never sleep soundly here, and this weekend I stayed at a friends for a few days and could sleep solidly and felt much better. Here, I am never in a deep sleep and wake feeling awful. I will get the name of the meter he used, supposedly it costs like $7,000. It takes some sort of average, but I was going to get the name from him and check into it, as it has not changed my opinion about my sickness. I would love to see your paper. Can you tell me about yourself since I am a new member? I agree with you, although I am just a person who can feel the radiation, I had already presumed the meters do not give the complete picture. I have other questions, but will read your paper first to see if they are answered. Like I said in my other note, I got the metal type window film. The person who took my readings actually said they can make it worse, which it seems to me they have.

Sue

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To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:21 AM
Subject: [eSens] shielding (was: new member)



Sue and Andrew,
The issue of shielding is something that also I am concerned with! The issue is rather complex, and any observation of yours is a valuable part of the puzzle we need to complete! I would appreciate keeping in constant touch with you, and would we start bothering the others at this list, who don't want that much technnical stuff, Marc please warn us to move to private corrspondence!

1. First of all it is rather difficult to talk about shieldings without propper meters. But I am affraid that Andrew would be dissapointed how little help they make and how imperfect they are even for a lot of money. Still, we are talking about a physical value, EMF, so we can't make it without meters!
2. Although I do have meters, they don't give complate picture, as I have presented in my Prague paper. Readings don' t fully match the feeling! I have already posted that paper to this list twice, so if anybody still needs it please let me know.

I am working on collecting fragmental facts, that once could form complete picture. Most of those facts have been mentioned in that paper, but here are some again:

* Low readings are not a guaranty you would feel fine, while high are that you would feel bad.
* Shielding can be a source of trouble for itself, Some attribute it to antenna or reflection effect, but I am almost sure there is more to it, as often you get lower readings but more trouble with shiledings which are solid like aluminum foil or dense metal fabric. Mesh gives better results.
* Cloudy weather, and the night do make things worse even when you can't percieve it (room without windows).
* Some say that getting used to specific EMF surrounding makes things better, while some say it makes it worse. Possibly there are both aspects in some way...
Etc.

I would be looking forward to particular questions of yours, and to your reports on your findings!


Drasko


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One more thing, he said the window film can make it worse by although there is less EMF getting into the house, it still passes through walls and roof and then does not have all places to get OUT, so it bounces around the house. That is my theory also about why it might be so bad here where I live. Lookout blasts out the waves and there are table mountains on the other side of Golden, so we are in a valley with the towers on a mountain on one side. I wonder if waves bounce around in this valley? Just a thought...
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Sue and Andrew,
The issue of shielding is something that also I am concerned with! The issue is rather complex, and any observation of yours is a valuable part of the puzzle we need to complete! I would appreciate keeping in constant touch with you, and would we start bothering the others at this list, who don't want that much technnical stuff, Marc please warn us to move to private corrspondence!

1. First of all it is rather difficult to talk about shieldings without propper meters. But I am affraid that Andrew would be dissapointed how little help they make and how imperfect they are even for a lot of money. Still, we are talking about a physical value, EMF, so we can't make it without meters!
2. Although I do have meters, they don't give complate picture, as I have presented in my Prague paper. Readings don' t fully match the feeling! I have already posted that paper to this list twice, so if anybody still needs it please let me know.

I am working on collecting fragmental facts, that once could form complete picture. Most of those facts have been mentioned in that paper, but here are some again:

* Low readings are not a guaranty you would feel fine, while high are that you would feel bad.
* Shielding can be a source of trouble for itself, Some attribute it to antenna or reflection effect, but I am almost sure there is more to it, as often you get lower readings but more trouble with shiledings which are solid like aluminum foil or dense metal fabric. Mesh gives better results.
* Cloudy weather, and the night do make things worse even when you can't percieve it (room without windows).
* Some say that getting used to specific EMF surrounding makes things better, while some say it makes it worse. Possibly there are both aspects in some way...
Etc.

I would be looking forward to particular questions of yours, and to your reports on your findings!


Drasko


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Hello Sue,

please read
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
and the following pages.

There are some issues of *het bitje* in english.

After reading all that, you will know a lot more, and many of your questions
will be answered.

Of course, you will have then other new questions.
But the basics are there.

Greetings,
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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 22:08
Subject: Re: [eSens] shielding (was: new member)


> Drasko,
>
> I am very interested in how the various meters work and how accurate they
are. I just happen to be a person who has moved a lot, so I have a wide
range of experiences of being extremely well and extremely sick. The
extremely sick has always been somewhere near these towers and I just
started thinking my illness was from the towers a couple years ago. Since
then, all experiments I conduct with myself confirm that is what it is.
However, I had a person read EMF here and at a place I felt great. I lived
at the other place 10 years ago, so it is not a great comparison, but the
reading was HIGHER there. But, I am certain that some sort of radiation
from these towers is what is causing my illness. I can never sleep soundly
here, and this weekend I stayed at a friends for a few days and could sleep
solidly and felt much better. Here, I am never in a deep sleep and wake
feeling awful. I will get the name of the meter he used, supposedly it
costs like $7,000. It takes some sort of average, but I was going to get
the name from him and check into it, as it has not changed my opinion about
my sickness. I would love to see your paper. Can you tell me about
yourself since I am a new member? I agree with you, although I am just a
person who can feel the radiation, I had already presumed the meters do not
give the complete picture. I have other questions, but will read your paper
first to see if they are answered. Like I said in my other note, I got the
metal type window film. The person who took my readings actually said they
can make it worse, which it seems to me they have. issue is rather complex, and any observation of yours is a valuable part of
the puzzle we need to complete! I would appreciate keeping in constant touch
with you, and would we start bothering the others at this list, who don't
want that much technnical stuff, Marc please warn us to move to private
corrspondence!
>
> 1. First of all it is rather difficult to talk about shieldings without
propper meters. But I am affraid that Andrew would be dissapointed how
little help they make and how imperfect they are even for a lot of money.
Still, we are talking about a physical value, EMF, so we can't make it
without meters!
> 2. Although I do have meters, they don't give complate picture, as I
have presented in my Prague paper. Readings don' t fully match the feeling!
I have already posted that paper to this list twice, so if anybody still
needs it please let me know.
>
> I am working on collecting fragmental facts, that once could form
complete picture. Most of those facts have been mentioned in that paper, but
here are some again:
>
> * Low readings are not a guaranty you would feel fine, while high are
that you would feel bad.
> * Shielding can be a source of trouble for itself, Some attribute it to
antenna or reflection effect, but I am almost sure there is more to it, as
often you get lower readings but more trouble with shiledings which are
solid like aluminum foil or dense metal fabric. Mesh gives better results.
> * Cloudy weather, and the night do make things worse even when you can't
percieve it (room without windows).
> * Some say that getting used to specific EMF surrounding makes things
better, while some say it makes it worse. Possibly there are both aspects in
some way...
> Etc.
>
> I would be looking forward to particular questions of yours, and to your
reports on your findings! ----
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Well, Sue, I am an entrepreneur here in Belgrade, while much of my creative
potentials have been used to try to understand the EMF issue that makes me
both sick and curious...
The paper mentioned I have just added to eSens files
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/files/ under the name Measures
and Symptoms.doc
It is a resume of my experiance on the issue up to the last year. (But it
hasn't changed much since then, anyway...)
I would be looking forward to hearing comments and further contributions
from you and from the other people on the list...

I have more or less similar story to yours... Just that I had some
theoretical background so I found it challenging to get involved ito
reasearch myself, lacking reliable info from the scientific establishment...

Regarding meters, after you read my paper, you would see that I consider
they don't help very much, although for someone with some technical
knowledge they could have been of use. Would you have any particular
questions on measurements, and shielding, please ask.

Meanwhile I find such "anecdotal" reports like yours of great importance, so
please keep us posted on your findings!

Drasko

Dear Drasko,
Thanks for the information, I did read your paper and found it interesting and true given the completely unknown aspects of this subject. I mentioned before that I had the window films installed and things seem worse, even though they measure lower, supposedly. I have also used the qlink pendant, which seemed to help some, and the qlink clear wave clock, which seemed to do nothing. So, it is true that these meter readings they use do not show the whole picture. I think you read in another of my emails that there are 1,000 towers on this mountain near me, including radio, tv and who knows what else. I would like to find out how far you need to be before they really diminish, but given this discussion, who knows if that will help. When you think about the probability that these energy fields interact with our own, and that is not very understood, it makes sense that it is difficult if not impossible to understand the mechanism of action in this case.

Sue

----- Original Message -----
From: Drasko Cvijovic<mailto:[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] shielding (was: new member)



Well, Sue, I am an entrepreneur here in Belgrade, while much of my creative
potentials have been used to try to understand the EMF issue that makes me
both sick and curious...
The paper mentioned I have just added to eSens files
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/files/<http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/files/> under the name Measures
and Symptoms.doc
It is a resume of my experiance on the issue up to the last year. (But it
hasn't changed much since then, anyway...)
I would be looking forward to hearing comments and further contributions
from you and from the other people on the list...

I have more or less similar story to yours... Just that I had some
theoretical background so I found it challenging to get involved ito
reasearch myself, lacking reliable info from the scientific establishment...

Regarding meters, after you read my paper, you would see that I consider
they don't help very much, although for someone with some technical
knowledge they could have been of use. Would you have any particular
questions on measurements, and shielding, please ask.

Meanwhile I find such "anecdotal" reports like yours of great importance, so
please keep us posted on your findings!

Drasko



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Does anyone know where I can find the papers by Cyril Smith? I was just reading his bibliography and some of the papers look interesting.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] shielding (was: new member)



Well, Sue, I am an entrepreneur here in Belgrade, while much of my creative
potentials have been used to try to understand the EMF issue that makes me
both sick and curious...
The paper mentioned I have just added to eSens files
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/files/<http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/files/> under the name Measures
and Symptoms.doc
It is a resume of my experiance on the issue up to the last year. (But it
hasn't changed much since then, anyway...)
I would be looking forward to hearing comments and further contributions
from you and from the other people on the list...

I have more or less similar story to yours... Just that I had some
theoretical background so I found it challenging to get involved ito
reasearch myself, lacking reliable info from the scientific establishment...

Regarding meters, after you read my paper, you would see that I consider
they don't help very much, although for someone with some technical
knowledge they could have been of use. Would you have any particular
questions on measurements, and shielding, please ask.

Meanwhile I find such "anecdotal" reports like yours of great importance, so
please keep us posted on your findings!

Drasko



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There are a few websites that have a lot of research and papers:

http://www.microwavenews.com/

http://kmaisch.customer.netspace.net.au/emfacts/index.html

http://www.electric-words.com/cell/sindex.html

http://www.emraa.org.au/

These sites should just about cover everything on EMR, especially if ou
go to the related links listed.

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
DAVID SUSAN STEWART
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:36 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] shielding (was: new member)


Does anyone know where I can find the papers by Cyril Smith? I was just
reading his bibliography and some of the papers look interesting.
----- Original Message -----
From: Drasko Cvijovic<mailto:[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] shielding (was: new member)



Well, Sue, I am an entrepreneur here in Belgrade, while much of my
creative
potentials have been used to try to understand the EMF issue that
makes me
both sick and curious...
The paper mentioned I have just added to eSens files
 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/files/<http://health.groups.y
ahoo.com/group/eSens/files/> under the name Measures
and Symptoms.doc
It is a resume of my experiance on the issue up to the last year. (But
it
hasn't changed much since then, anyway...)
I would be looking forward to hearing comments and further
contributions
from you and from the other people on the list...

I have more or less similar story to yours... Just that I had some
theoretical background so I found it challenging to get involved ito
reasearch myself, lacking reliable info from the scientific
establishment...

Regarding meters, after you read my paper, you would see that I
consider
they don't help very much, although for someone with some technical
knowledge they could have been of use. Would you have any particular
questions on measurements, and shielding, please ask.

Meanwhile I find such "anecdotal" reports like yours of great
importance, so
please keep us posted on your findings!

Drasko



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Sue,
There are also some Dr. Cyril Smith's papers at eSens files, you have
probably seen them...
Anyway, once you finish your research on that author, please let us know
your thoughts. I never invested time in proper understanding of his works,
although it was for years on my to do list!

You would be probably confused by amount of incomprehensive statements
there. I have never made up my mind whether it was just a kind of "Emperor's
Suit" stuff, or something really valuable. The subject (relation between
homeopathy and EMFs) is very important to my opinion, but I couldn't figure
out what he really says, except that he had success in treatments.
I am not suggesting his stuff is worthless, nor anything like that, just
that I would have appreciated seeing facts separated from high pitched
interpretations. I would be looking forward to such a digest would you be
able to dig it anywhere!

Drasko

> Does anyone know where I can find the papers by Cyril Smith? I was just
reading his bibliography and some of the papers look interesting.
> ----- Original Message -----

Drasko,
I had read the book Cross Currents by Robert Becker, and he thought homeopathy works. I actually have used it for other ailments, and it did work for me. I have not been to that doctor since I have been sick this time and feel it is from EMF. Andrew had mentioned that detox had helped him and other members of the group. The first time I was sick, it started shortly after I had major surgery and was under full anesthesia. I have been looking for my purchase papers for the house to see the timing of how long I lived there before I started getting sick. It makes me wonder if the sensitivity could be related to other chemicals in your system? Last night, I actually took a long sauna (another detox technique that supposedly sweats out radiation as well), opened my window, slept on the opposite side of the house from the towers, and I actually slept. Still woke up with sore muscles, however. Any thoughts?

Sue
----- Original Message -----
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To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] shielding (was: new member)



Sue,
There are also some Dr. Cyril Smith's papers at eSens files, you have
probably seen them...
Anyway, once you finish your research on that author, please let us know
your thoughts. I never invested time in proper understanding of his works,
although it was for years on my to do list!

You would be probably confused by amount of incomprehensive statements
there. I have never made up my mind whether it was just a kind of "Emperor's
Suit" stuff, or something really valuable. The subject (relation between
homeopathy and EMFs) is very important to my opinion, but I couldn't figure
out what he really says, except that he had success in treatments.
I am not suggesting his stuff is worthless, nor anything like that, just
that I would have appreciated seeing facts separated from high pitched
interpretations. I would be looking forward to such a digest would you be
able to dig it anywhere!

Drasko

> Does anyone know where I can find the papers by Cyril Smith? I was just
reading his bibliography and some of the papers look interesting.
> ----- Original Message -----




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> slept on the opposite side of the house from the towers, and I
> actually slept. Still woke up with sore muscles, however. Any thoughts?

Sleeping on the opposite side of the house is always a good idea...
I've noticed myself that one side of my house is much worse than
the other.

It sounds like the only EMF protection devices you've tried
are the Q-Links and Clarus Clocks, is that right Sue? From
all the reports I've read, these are the least effective EMF
protection devices out there. You might want to experiment
with some others, although I don't think we've reached a
consensus here about what is most likely to be effective.
I personally like Springlife Polarizers from Bioharmonics.com
and Quantum Products from QuantumProducts.com (website currently
down, instead try AdvancedLiving.com). Combining the
lesser-powered devices together works for me in a variety
of situations (e.g, an OM Springlife Pendant plus a Quantum
power strip). But I had to go through *many* devices
and combinations before I came up with something that
worked this well for me. And others have found other
devices which have worked well for them. But rarely
(if ever) are the Q-Links and Clarus Clocks are
effective.

Marc

Marc,
Yes, that is right, those are the only I tried. I will look into the others. I am trying to convince my husband to move, not an easy task, so I will keep on keeping on. What type of EMF do you live near? When I just go into a room on the opposite side of the house, it feels better. It all seems so crazy in a way, but I have tested enough situations that the towers have to be the culprit.

Thank you for the information.

Sue

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To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] shielding (was: new member)


> slept on the opposite side of the house from the towers, and I
> actually slept. Still woke up with sore muscles, however. Any thoughts?

Sleeping on the opposite side of the house is always a good idea...
I've noticed myself that one side of my house is much worse than
the other.

It sounds like the only EMF protection devices you've tried
are the Q-Links and Clarus Clocks, is that right Sue? From
all the reports I've read, these are the least effective EMF
protection devices out there. You might want to experiment
with some others, although I don't think we've reached a
consensus here about what is most likely to be effective.
I personally like Springlife Polarizers from Bioharmonics.com
and Quantum Products from QuantumProducts.com (website currently
down, instead try AdvancedLiving.com). Combining the
lesser-powered devices together works for me in a variety
of situations (e.g, an OM Springlife Pendant plus a Quantum
power strip). But I had to go through *many* devices
and combinations before I came up with something that
worked this well for me. And others have found other
devices which have worked well for them. But rarely
(if ever) are the Q-Links and Clarus Clocks are
effective.

Marc


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> Yes, that is right, those are the only I tried. I will look into the others.
> I am trying to convince my husband to move, not an easy task, so I will
> keep on keeping on. What type of EMF do you live near?

I'm not exactly sure why one side of my house is better than another. It
could be a cell tower -- I know of a big one a few blocks away, and since
we're at the top of hill there could be some that I'm not aware of. Also
the power lines outside seem to be a problem, but they're on the same side
of the house as the tower. But the house thing was never the big problem
with me -- computers, laptops, and florescent lighting were the worst for
me. A lot of my problems are resolved at this point, although with laptops,
LCD monitors, and cellphones I practice avoidance. But I'm on the computer
for lots of hours many days and don't have any problems at the end of the
day. I remember the days when I couldn't stand 5 minutes on the computer!
So some of the stuff I've tried has certainly helped me out a lot.

Marc

Brick walls are a good protection from microwaves - unlike magnetic
fields that go right through.

sarah

-----Original Message-----
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Marc Martin
Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 3:32 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] shielding (was: new member)


> slept on the opposite side of the house from the towers, and I
> actually slept. Still woke up with sore muscles, however. Any
> thoughts?

Sleeping on the opposite side of the house is always a good idea... I've
noticed myself that one side of my house is much worse than the other.

It sounds like the only EMF protection devices you've tried
are the Q-Links and Clarus Clocks, is that right Sue? From
all the reports I've read, these are the least effective EMF protection
devices out there. You might want to experiment with some others,
although I don't think we've reached a consensus here about what is most
likely to be effective. I personally like Springlife Polarizers from
Bioharmonics.com and Quantum Products from QuantumProducts.com (website
currently down, instead try AdvancedLiving.com). Combining the
lesser-powered devices together works for me in a variety
of situations (e.g, an OM Springlife Pendant plus a Quantum power
strip). But I had to go through *many* devices and combinations before
I came up with something that worked this well for me. And others have
found other devices which have worked well for them. But rarely (if
ever) are the Q-Links and Clarus Clocks are
effective.

Marc


 
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Marc,
Computers and florescent lights don't bother me that much. I do not like florescent lights, and turn mine off at work, but I work on computers for living and have for 20 years. I have been really sick 2 different times in my life when I lived near all these towers. Since I got the shielding on my windows, it is soooo bad, I can barely sit still and definitely not sleep. Last night, I could not sleep and finally used a campers metal blanket and that helps, believe it or not. What all have you tried?

Sue

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> Yes, that is right, those are the only I tried. I will look into the others.
> I am trying to convince my husband to move, not an easy task, so I will
> keep on keeping on. What type of EMF do you live near?

I'm not exactly sure why one side of my house is better than another. It
could be a cell tower -- I know of a big one a few blocks away, and since
we're at the top of hill there could be some that I'm not aware of. Also
the power lines outside seem to be a problem, but they're on the same side
of the house as the tower. But the house thing was never the big problem
with me -- computers, laptops, and florescent lighting were the worst for
me. A lot of my problems are resolved at this point, although with laptops,
LCD monitors, and cellphones I practice avoidance. But I'm on the computer
for lots of hours many days and don't have any problems at the end of the
day. I remember the days when I couldn't stand 5 minutes on the computer!
So some of the stuff I've tried has certainly helped me out a lot.

Marc


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Hello Sarah,

I do not agree.
I have found that bricks are sucking up RF radiation and start emitting them
after a while.
On both sides.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:43
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> What all have you tried?

Heh, I have tried more things than I can remember. Probably at least
30 different EMF protection devices, plus various shielding, meters,
mercury filling removal, detox, dietary changes, hundreds of different
supplements, sauna/steam, massage, chiropractic, nutritionists... all
over the course of 5 years. I've made great progress, but I think
most people would have given up (or gone broke) during the process...

Marc

So what do you think has been the most helpful?

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> So what do you think has been the most helpful?

Well, avoidance is good where practical, but often is not
practical if you want to live a normal life (e.g, use a
computer, shop in stores, watch TV, etc.) And my
goal is to not let the ES get in the way of what
I want to do.

EMF protection devices have been essential -- like I
said before the stuff from Quantum Products and
Springlife Polarizers I have used for years. However,
I have a long list of devices which either did nothing
or caused adverse reactions.

There have been a few isolated supplements which have
been helpful. The top ones have been Seasilver,
Cellfood, Megahydrin, e-Poise, Primal Defense and
Zypan. These supplements balance my pH, provide
vitamins and minerals, and provide digestive enzymes
and probiotics.

Eating healthy has helped too -- more raw foods, more
fruits and veggies, more digestable proteins, more
healthy fats, more organic... and of course, cut out
all the junk. I find that the "Eat Right for Your
Blood Type" diet seems like a good starting point,
but basically one can experiment with foods and
see if they help or hurt sensitivity. For example,
for me, bananas help but oranges hurt.

Lots of people say to detox, but all I can say is
don't overdo it. Basically, for me, just letting
my body detox at its own pace seems to work best.
Taking supplements which actively mobilize toxins
into my bloodstream just make me feel bad (and
usually makes my ES worse)

So that's the high-level executive summary for me. :-)

Right now I'm focusing on the immune system, as
I've had life-long allergies to grass, weeds, dust,
etc. (and currently this is a bigger unresolved
issue than the ES). I don't know how many people
who have ES also have allergies, but I think that
for me they are related.

Marc

That's interesting - a bit like sunlight then?? How do you know this
Charles - have you done tests or is it your experience as an ES person?
I have not experienced this but am fascinated by new
thoughs/information.

Sarah

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Hello Sarah,

I do not agree.
I have found that bricks are sucking up RF radiation and start emitting
them after a while. On both sides.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:43
Subject: RE: [eSens] shielding (was: new member)


> But I had to go through *many* devices and combinations before I came
> up with something that worked this well for me. And others have found

> other devices which have worked well for them. But rarely (if
> ever) are the Q-Links and Clarus Clocks are
> effective.
>
> Marc
>




 
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