Hi all,
I find that salt and lemon juice in a large glass of water does help with my sensitivities. In homeopathy, a vibrational medicine, two remedies that may help electrosensitivies are Nat mur and Nat Phos. One is a homeopathic remedy of salt and the other sodium phosphate. These two remedies are used for people who have been struck by lightening - and if you have esens like I do you sure do feel like you have been struck by lightening. Of course we are all different, all unique and we shouldn't expect to be all 'fixed' by the same treatment. On the other topic there is no such thing as a negative hydrogen - all hydrogen is positively charged, there is a negative hydroxyl -OH, which you can get from hydrogen peroxide. I have an air purifier that is supposed to give off negative ions, I'm not sure that I can feel any difference, but then it runs on electricity - duh! Other things that are supposed to give off neg ions are candles (open flame) and incense or smudges. I love the 'feel' of a wood stove, I am sure it 'feels' different from other kinds of heat. I think we are sensitive to many different things - someone suggested alternating magnetic fields - that's a possibility - we really don't know and have to go by our 'feelings' - which, unfortunately, are not considered 'scientific'. I'll be my body, and yours are more sensitive than any machine, but we are tuned to different frequencies. Hope that made sense to you and perhaps helped someone. Judy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> On the other topic there is no such thing as a negative hydrogen
I think you'll find widespread disagreement with that statement. There are several products advertised as providing negatively charged hydrogen. One such product that I have personally taken for years with great benefit is "Active H-": http://www.newvision.com/content.asp?page_id=196 Marc |
This raises an interesting question. There are quite a lot of remedies
around which some people find help them. On the other hand the explanations provided for these sometimes look very dubious, misuse scientific terms or even seem impossible. This makes many people with a scientific background dismiss the remedy or instrument out of hand. Personally I feel that some of these ideas may work quite well, but even the people who sell them don't really understand how. Very often they seem to yield to the temptation to make "pseudo-scientific" claims to make it sound more impressive. We should not perhaps be surprised that it's hard to understand what is going on. Most science (medical or physical) over the millennia has been based on observing things by experiment, then trying to work out a theory that fits the facts as best you can. Some theories are very good and last for centuries with only tiny changes (e.g. gravity), others turn out to be totally mistaken when more evidence becomes available. As for negatively charged hydrogen - it is possible to get it (hydride ions) but these are incredibly difficult to make. Compounds containing it, like lithium aluminium hydride, are produced very expensively in tiny quantities to make certain special chemical reactions work. I would doubt that the "negatively charged hydrogen" in the adverts is what a chemist would recognize as a H- ion. That doesn't mean the products don't work, only that the explanation and advertising blurb are probably not scientifically rigorous. "Active H-" claims to be silica hydride, which is not a recognized chemical entity at all, as silica is a compound, not an element (silicon is). And to be honest much of what's on that website looks to me to be hype and ingenious sell rather than hard fact. But, nevertheless, if you find the actual compounds in the product to be beneficial to you, that's a real experimental result and shouldn't be ignored, even if the explanation is different! Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc Martin Sent: 18 December 2005 16:27 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] salt, neg hydrogen > On the other topic there is no such thing as a negative hydrogen I think you'll find widespread disagreement with that statement. There are several products advertised as providing negatively charged hydrogen. One such product that I have personally taken for years with great benefit is "Active H-": http://www.newvision.com/content.asp?page_id=196 Marc _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "eSens <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> But, nevertheless, if
> you find the actual compounds in the product to be beneficial to you, that's > a real experimental result and shouldn't be ignored, even if the explanation > is different! Yes, I've even given consideration that perhaps one of the "inactive ingredients" is something I'm responding to positively... :-) But nevertheless, I've probably experimented with 300+ supplements over the past 6 years, and I'd have to put "Active H-" in the top 10. And before I discovered EMF protection devices that worked for me, this was my #1 supplement for diminishing my ES symptoms (actually, at that time I was using "Microhydrin", which was an eariler iteration of Active H-) Marc |
Hi, Marc, Ian, and others,
I have read the abstracts of medically conducted research studies with rats using negative hydrogen ion water, so it must be possible to make somewhere! My understanding is these machines separate the water into half + and half - water using an electrode and salt. Anyway, this is the water that I am referring to. Perhaps I have interpreted it wrongly, but this is my understanding. And I did find the research studies by looking up "negative ion water" and ''negative hydrogen ions", etc. Diane Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > But, nevertheless, if > you find the actual compounds in the product to be beneficial to you, that's > a real experimental result and shouldn't be ignored, even if the explanation > is different! Yes, I've even given consideration that perhaps one of the "inactive ingredients" is something I'm responding to positively... :-) But nevertheless, I've probably experimented with 300+ supplements over the past 6 years, and I'd have to put "Active H-" in the top 10. And before I discovered EMF protection devices that worked for me, this was my #1 supplement for diminishing my ES symptoms (actually, at that time I was using "Microhydrin", which was an eariler iteration of Active H-) Marc SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health wellness product Health and wellness program Health promotion and wellness Health and wellness promotion Business health wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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* But, nevertheless, if > you find the actual compounds in the product to be beneficial to you, that's > a real experimental result and shouldn't be ignored, even if the explanation > is different! Yes, I've even given consideration that perhaps one of the "inactive ingredients" is something I'm responding to positively... :-) But nevertheless, I've probably experimented with 300+ supplements over the past 6 years, and I'd have to put "Active H-" in the top 10. And before I discovered EMF protection devices that worked for me, this was my #1 supplement for diminishing my ES symptoms (actually, at that time I was using "Microhydrin", which was an eariler iteration of Active H-) Marc I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's the "main ingredient" that's providing the main benefit, and maybe it's helping produce negative ions, or absorbing something harmful - I'm just guessing. I would say, though, that it seems extremely unlikely that it produces "negative hydrogen" (hydride) ions, as a chemist would understand them! But then, most pharmaceuticals are produced by trial-and-error as far as I know - synthesise lots of compounds that seem likely to have a beneficial effect, try them out in lots of tests, and narrow down on the small number that produce a positive result. I don't think even the drug companies know exactly why some of their products work sometimes, except in fairly general terms. Ian SPONSORED LINKS Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness&w1=Health+and+welln ess&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+prom otion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+welln ess&c=6&s=187&.sig=lYI8B8UF6O4ROok_KpWbMQ> and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+wellness+product&w1=Health+and+w ellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+ promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+w ellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=7FG7KpKu_ab8sI-sfGXbBw> wellness product Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+program&w1=Health+a nd+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Hea lth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+heal th+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=SdRoxwZKC3KlEgk4EdZDpQ> and wellness program Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=2N5rUTc4fwFZmwqyTa-mLw> promotion and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=TWFLmBa9J_P4FmW0xiOmnw> and wellness promotion Business <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Business+health+wellness&w1=Health+and+ wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health +promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+ wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=cq8JlfksEGFMRzKQ0DoSOA> health wellness _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "eSens <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Normally, if water is split like this, being H2O, it ends up as H+ or H3O+
positive ions, and OH- negative ions. That being said, having just done a search on "negative hydrogen ion water", I've found a site which makes a much more reasonable explanation of how H- ions might exist and work than anything I've seen before, so I might yet be convinced on "Active H-" (which it suggests is a cluster-type compound). The site is: http://www.h-minus-ion.org/ Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie Sent: 18 December 2005 22:18 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Negative hydrogen Hi, Marc, Ian, and others, I have read the abstracts of medically conducted research studies with rats using negative hydrogen ion water, so it must be possible to make somewhere! My understanding is these machines separate the water into half + and half - water using an electrode and salt. Anyway, this is the water that I am referring to. Perhaps I have interpreted it wrongly, but this is my understanding. And I did find the research studies by looking up "negative ion water" and ''negative hydrogen ions", etc. Diane Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > But, nevertheless, if > you find the actual compounds in the product to be beneficial to you, that's > a real experimental result and shouldn't be ignored, even if the explanation > is different! Yes, I've even given consideration that perhaps one of the "inactive ingredients" is something I'm responding to positively... :-) But nevertheless, I've probably experimented with 300+ supplements over the past 6 years, and I'd have to put "Active H-" in the top 10. And before I discovered EMF protection devices that worked for me, this was my #1 supplement for diminishing my ES symptoms (actually, at that time I was using "Microhydrin", which was an eariler iteration of Active H-) Marc SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health wellness product Health and wellness program Health promotion and wellness Health and wellness promotion Business health wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness&w1=Health+and+welln ess&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+prom otion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+welln ess&c=6&s=187&.sig=lYI8B8UF6O4ROok_KpWbMQ> and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+wellness+product&w1=Health+and+w ellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+ promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+w ellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=7FG7KpKu_ab8sI-sfGXbBw> wellness product Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+program&w1=Health+a nd+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Hea lth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+heal th+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=SdRoxwZKC3KlEgk4EdZDpQ> and wellness program Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=2N5rUTc4fwFZmwqyTa-mLw> promotion and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=TWFLmBa9J_P4FmW0xiOmnw> and wellness promotion Business <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Business+health+wellness&w1=Health+and+ wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health +promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+ wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=cq8JlfksEGFMRzKQ0DoSOA> health wellness _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "eSens <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Diane, you mentioned the "zonulin tight junction problem" as a possible
common cause for several problems - I'm not familiar with this. Sounds interesting. Can you give a reference? Apologies if there was one and I've missed it. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi, Ian,
I do not want to send abstracts/reports on this thru this forum since it is off-topic (dealing with only celiac disease). However, I will be glad to send the info directly to you, if you do not mind that. I don't have websites to direct you to. (Tho I suppose that you can find alot by just entering "zonulin tight junctions" into a search engine). Diane Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote: Diane, you mentioned the "zonulin tight junction problem" as a possible common cause for several problems - I'm not familiar with this. Sounds interesting. Can you give a reference? Apologies if there was one and I've missed it. Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
That's fine, though if the "common mode" theory for these syndromes turns
out to be correct, it could be relevant to people in the forum too! Ian Hi, Ian, I do not want to send abstracts/reports on this thru this forum since it is off-topic (dealing with only celiac disease). However, I will be glad to send the info directly to you, if you do not mind that. I don't have websites to direct you to. (Tho I suppose that you can find alot by just entering "zonulin tight junctions" into a search engine). Diane Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote: Diane, you mentioned the "zonulin tight junction problem" as a possible common cause for several problems - I'm not familiar with this. Sounds interesting. Can you give a reference? Apologies if there was one and I've missed it. Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "eSens <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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