returning symtoms

so i was free of burning on my face from the computer for 6 months

now it has returned with avengance, i started a supplement protocol
during this period also i started to cut down my anti-depressants..the
latter i think may be the cause

anyone have any views on this

> now it has returned with avengance, i started a supplement protocol
> during this period also i started to cut down my anti-depressants..the
> latter i think may be the cause

Certainly a change in supplementation can change your ES symptoms.
I don't know anything about anti-depressants, but I have noticed
several supplements that reduce my symptoms (antioxidants, essential
fatty acids), while there are other supplements that make my
symptoms worse (glutathione, Vitamin D)

Marc

Anti-depressants, if they are pharmaceuticals will deaden your nerves
and system with Fluoride and other toxic agents.
There are many other ways to address your emotions than to fry a part
of yourself.
"Vervain" helps with calming the anger of Lyme Rage.
"Attend" is a supplement you can get at the health food store that has
many homeopathic remedies and natural brain/nerve food that is designed
for ADD children. I take it and it helps smooth out the rough spots.
There are so many more herbs and supplements that can help depending on
what you are trying to do.
TRUEHOPE
http://www.truehope.com/default.aspx
has people you can actually talk to in finding a good supplement
addressing bipolar affective disorder, depression, schizophrenia,
attention deficit disorder and other central nervous system disorders.

They can help you with a program to get off your drugs too.
Andrew

On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:21 PM, robbojnr27 wrote:

Wow Marc, glutithione & Vit D make it worse. I take those things. I guess Ineed to experiment. Loni

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 12:26 PM






> now it has returned with avengance, i started a supplement protocol
> during this period also i started to cut down my anti-depressants. .the
> latter i think may be the cause

Certainly a change in supplementation can change your ES symptoms.
I don't know anything about anti-depressants, but I have noticed
several supplements that reduce my symptoms (antioxidants, essential
fatty acids), while there are other supplements that make my
symptoms worse (glutathione, Vitamin D)

Marc
















     

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> Wow Marc, glutithione & Vit D make it worse. I take those things. I guess
> I need to experiment. Loni

Yes, skip a supplement for a day or two and see if it makes any
difference in your symptoms. It's a bit frustrating to find
that your sensitivities worsen due to your efforts to
improve your health!

Marc

Yes indeed!

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 12:43 PM






> Wow Marc, glutithione & Vit D make it worse. I take those things. I guess
> I need to experiment. Loni

Yes, skip a supplement for a day or two and see if it makes any
difference in your symptoms. It's a bit frustrating to find
that your sensitivities worsen due to your efforts to
improve your health!

Marc
















     

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And I notice getting worse when I have too little Vit D--like in the winter. 

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 2:26 PM






> now it has returned with avengance, i started a supplement protocol
> during this period also i started to cut down my anti-depressants. .the
> latter i think may be the cause

Certainly a change in supplementation can change your ES symptoms.
I don't know anything about anti-depressants, but I have noticed
several supplements that reduce my symptoms (antioxidants, essential
fatty acids), while there are other supplements that make my
symptoms worse (glutathione, Vitamin D)

Marc
















     

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Also, methyl-cobalamin (a specific type of B12) regenerates nerve fibers.  Which can make burning/other nerve damage either better or worse, depending on where you are in the healing process.  But better to regenerate, causing pain, than continue to fry them and have no pain.  ;)
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 2:35 PM






Anti-depressants, if they are pharmaceuticals will deaden your nerves
and system with Fluoride and other toxic agents.
There are many other ways to address your emotions than to fry a part
of yourself.
"Vervain" helps with calming the anger of Lyme Rage.
"Attend" is a supplement you can get at the health food store that has
many homeopathic remedies and natural brain/nerve food that is designed
for ADD children. I take it and it helps smooth out the rough spots.
There are so many more herbs and supplements that can help depending on
what you are trying to do.
TRUEHOPE
http://www.truehope .com/default. aspx
has people you can actually talk to in finding a good supplement
addressing bipolar affective disorder, depression, schizophrenia,
attention deficit disorder and other central nervous system disorders.

They can help you with a program to get off your drugs too.
Andrew

On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:21 PM, robbojnr27 wrote:

















     

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> And I notice getting worse when I have too little Vit D--like in the
> winter.

I'm worse in the winter as well... when talking about a
sensitivity from Vitamin D, I am limiting this to
synthetic Vitamin D (e.g., cholecalciferol). I also
improve with sunshine, but that's not exactly the
same thing as oral intake of cholecalciferol.

Marc

Hi, Loni,
 
As I mentioned in my last email, tho, a bad reaction is not necessarily a sign a supplement is a bad idea or not needed.  Better to regard your overall health a month or 2 out.  If a supplement is helping you, you will see subtle changes for the good.  If they are not helping you, you will seeadverse or no changes.  Even then it doesn't necessarily mean you don't need that supplementation.  It may just mean you haven't found the correct dose or other supplements are needed to go with it.
 
My 2 cents,
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 2:38 PM






Wow Marc, glutithione & Vit D make it worse. I take those things. I guess Ineed to experiment. Loni

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 12:26 PM

> now it has returned with avengance, i started a supplement protocol
> during this period also i started to cut down my anti-depressants. .the
> latter i think may be the cause

Certainly a change in supplementation can change your ES symptoms.
I don't know anything about anti-depressants, but I have noticed
several supplements that reduce my symptoms (antioxidants, essential
fatty acids), while there are other supplements that make my
symptoms worse (glutathione, Vitamin D)

Marc

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But I do well taking a natural vit D3 supplement in winter, Marc (I only dobetter with a great quality natural D3).  Perhaps not quite as good as the sun, but still do much better than nothing.

--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 2:56 PM






> And I notice getting worse when I have too little Vit D--like in the
> winter.

I'm worse in the winter as well... when talking about a
sensitivity from Vitamin D, I am limiting this to
synthetic Vitamin D (e.g., cholecalciferol) . I also
improve with sunshine, but that's not exactly the
same thing as oral intake of cholecalciferol.

Marc
















     

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Diane, Have you had experience with the reduction of skin burning with the B12. that is s major problem for me. Loni

--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:52 PM






Also, methyl-cobalamin (a specific type of B12) regenerates nerve fibers.  Which can make burning/other nerve damage either better or worse, depending on where you are in the healing process.  But better to regenerate, causing pain, than continue to fry them and have no pain.  ;)
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 2:35 PM

Anti-depressants, if they are pharmaceuticals will deaden your nerves
and system with Fluoride and other toxic agents.
There are many other ways to address your emotions than to fry a part
of yourself.
"Vervain" helps with calming the anger of Lyme Rage.
"Attend" is a supplement you can get at the health food store that has
many homeopathic remedies and natural brain/nerve food that is designed
for ADD children. I take it and it helps smooth out the rough spots.
There are so many more herbs and supplements that can help depending on
what you are trying to do.
TRUEHOPE
http://www.truehope .com/default. aspx
has people you can actually talk to in finding a good supplement
addressing bipolar affective disorder, depression, schizophrenia,
attention deficit disorder and other central nervous system disorders.

They can help you with a program to get off your drugs too.
Andrew

On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:21 PM, robbojnr27 wrote:

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, Loni,
 
Yes, I have REDUCTION of skin burning.  Calcium AEP and pantethine also help with that (but I know you can't take that.  However, nothing helps me100%

--- On Fri, 2/27/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 12:49 PM






Diane, Have you had experience with the reduction of skin burning with the B12. that is s major problem for me. Loni

--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:52 PM

Also, methyl-cobalamin (a specific type of B12) regenerates nerve fibers.  Which can make burning/other nerve damage either better or worse, depending on where you are in the healing process.  But better to regenerate, causing pain, than continue to fry them and have no pain.  ;)
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 2:35 PM

Anti-depressants, if they are pharmaceuticals will deaden your nerves
and system with Fluoride and other toxic agents.
There are many other ways to address your emotions than to fry a part
of yourself.
"Vervain" helps with calming the anger of Lyme Rage.
"Attend" is a supplement you can get at the health food store that has
many homeopathic remedies and natural brain/nerve food that is designed
for ADD children. I take it and it helps smooth out the rough spots.
There are so many more herbs and supplements that can help depending on
what you are trying to do.
TRUEHOPE
http://www.truehope .com/default. aspx
has people you can actually talk to in finding a good supplement
addressing bipolar affective disorder, depression, schizophrenia,
attention deficit disorder and other central nervous system disorders.

They can help you with a program to get off your drugs too.
Andrew

On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:21 PM, robbojnr27 wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

















     

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, Loni,
 
Yes, I have REDUCTION of skin burning.  Calcium AEP and pantethine also help with that (but I know you can't take that.  However, nothing helps me100% in

--- On Fri, 2/27/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 12:49 PM






Diane, Have you had experience with the reduction of skin burning with the B12. that is s major problem for me. Loni

--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:52 PM

Also, methyl-cobalamin (a specific type of B12) regenerates nerve fibers.  Which can make burning/other nerve damage either better or worse, depending on where you are in the healing process.  But better to regenerate, causing pain, than continue to fry them and have no pain.  ;)
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 2:35 PM

Anti-depressants, if they are pharmaceuticals will deaden your nerves
and system with Fluoride and other toxic agents.
There are many other ways to address your emotions than to fry a part
of yourself.
"Vervain" helps with calming the anger of Lyme Rage.
"Attend" is a supplement you can get at the health food store that has
many homeopathic remedies and natural brain/nerve food that is designed
for ADD children. I take it and it helps smooth out the rough spots.
There are so many more herbs and supplements that can help depending on
what you are trying to do.
TRUEHOPE
http://www.truehope .com/default. aspx
has people you can actually talk to in finding a good supplement
addressing bipolar affective disorder, depression, schizophrenia,
attention deficit disorder and other central nervous system disorders.

They can help you with a program to get off your drugs too.
Andrew

On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:21 PM, robbojnr27 wrote:

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, Loni,
 
Sorry, I had to resubmit this post--the beginning is the same, it was just cut off.
Yes, I have REDUCTION of skin burning--when I take the B12 at night, sublingually in the form of methylcobalamin.  I have reduction the next day andI have total stop of spinal vibration, the same night I take it, except for when a train comes by.  Then the vibration returns for awhile, but then subsides after a few minutes (about 10mins after the train haspassed).  Calcium AEP and pantethine also help other autonomic symptoms for me substantially, but temporarily (but I know you can't take that).  They would help long term if I didn't have to be immersed again in emfs, however, that is not possible.  (In other words--these will bringmy bp back up, stop palps, help with temperature swings, shortness of breath, etc, but only till I am taxed again by high emfs +/or exertional stress.  Nothing helps me 100% in all situations, however--so what I am saying here is I also DO have to limit exposure.  So far, the supplements provide
only temporary relief.  I know for me personally, tho, nutritional deficiency IS a problem I have to watch for.  I don't know how nutrition plays into the ES for everyone else.  There are particular nutrients I will have to monitor the rest of my life due to past celiac gut damage--all ofthese do seem to affect my symptoms for ES for the better, at least a bit.  (molybdenum, Vit D, fatty acids, carnitine are some of the others I have not mentioned.)  I do suspect calcium metabolism is more key than the others, tho--and I suspect that tj permeability is probably the way in whichcalcium malfunctions for us as a group.  That said, it isn't just a matter of taking more calcium usually.  And some like you report not being able to take calcium at all.  In the meantime, tho, B12 might help you, too, Loni; but I cannot guarantee that it will.  (And I suspect you may haveto take it for quite awhile before you notice--I have taken B12 in the daytime
for over a year!)  The reason it is working at night is, nerve regeneration is accomplished at night primarily.  So apparently, my body was usingit mainly in some other capacity till I started taking it at night.  Theskin burning and vibration are both nerve related.
 
Hope this helps you, dear,
Diane
 

--- On Fri, 2/27/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 12:49 PM






Diane, Have you had experience with the reduction of skin burning with the B12. that is s major problem for me. Loni

--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:52 PM

Also, methyl-cobalamin (a specific type of B12) regenerates nerve fibers.  Which can make burning/other nerve damage either better or worse, depending on where you are in the healing process.  But better to regenerate, causing pain, than continue to fry them and have no pain.  ;)
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 2:35 PM

Anti-depressants, if they are pharmaceuticals will deaden your nerves
and system with Fluoride and other toxic agents.
There are many other ways to address your emotions than to fry a part
of yourself.
"Vervain" helps with calming the anger of Lyme Rage.
"Attend" is a supplement you can get at the health food store that has
many homeopathic remedies and natural brain/nerve food that is designed
for ADD children. I take it and it helps smooth out the rough spots.
There are so many more herbs and supplements that can help depending on
what you are trying to do.
TRUEHOPE
http://www.truehope .com/default. aspx
has people you can actually talk to in finding a good supplement
addressing bipolar affective disorder, depression, schizophrenia,
attention deficit disorder and other central nervous system disorders.

They can help you with a program to get off your drugs too.
Andrew

On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:21 PM, robbojnr27 wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

















     

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, Loni,
 
Sorry, I had to resubmit this post--the beginning is the same, it was just cut off.
Yes, I have REDUCTION of skin burning--when I take the B12 at night, sublingually in the form of methylcobalamin.  I have reduction the next day andI have total stop of spinal vibration, the same night I take it, except for when a train comes by.  Then the vibration returns for awhile, but then subsides after a few minutes (about 10mins after the train haspassed).  Calcium AEP and pantethine also help other autonomic symptoms for me substantially, but temporarily (but I know you can't take that).  They would help long term if I didn't have to be immersed again in emfs, however, that is not possible.  (In other words--these will bringmy bp back up, stop palps, help with temperature swings, shortness of breath, etc, but only till I am taxed again by high emfs +/or exertional stress.  Nothing helps me 100% in all situations, however--so what I am saying here is I also DO have to limit exposure.  So far, the supplements provide
only temporary relief.  I know for me personally, tho, nutritional deficiency IS a problem I have to watch for.  I don't know how nutrition plays into the ES for everyone else.  There are particular nutrients I will have to monitor the rest of my life due to past celiac gut damage--all ofthese do seem to affect my symptoms for ES for the better, at least a bit.  (molybdenum, Vit D, fatty acids, carnitine are some of the others I have not mentioned.)  I do suspect calcium metabolism is more key than the others, tho--and I suspect that tj permeability is probably the way in whichcalcium malfunctions for us as a group.  That said, it isn't just a matter of taking more calcium usually.  And some like you report not being able to take calcium at all.  In the meantime, tho, B12 might help you, too, Loni; but I cannot guarantee that it will.  (And I suspect you may haveto take it for quite awhile before you notice--I have taken B12 in the daytime
for over a year!)  The reason it is working at night is, nerve regeneration is accomplished at night primarily.  So apparently, my body was usingit mainly in some other capacity till I started taking it at night.  Theskin burning and vibration are both nerve related.
 
Hope this helps you, dear,
Diane

--- On Fri, 2/27/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 2:47 PM






Hi, Loni,
 
Yes, I have REDUCTION of skin burning.  Calcium AEP and pantethine also help with that (but I know you can't take that.  However, nothing helps me100% in

--- On Fri, 2/27/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 12:49 PM

Diane, Have you had experience with the reduction of skin burning with the B12. that is s major problem for me. Loni

--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:52 PM

Also, methyl-cobalamin (a specific type of B12) regenerates nerve fibers.  Which can make burning/other nerve damage either better or worse, depending on where you are in the healing process.  But better to regenerate, causing pain, than continue to fry them and have no pain.  ;)
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] returning symtoms
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 2:35 PM

Anti-depressants, if they are pharmaceuticals will deaden your nerves
and system with Fluoride and other toxic agents.
There are many other ways to address your emotions than to fry a part
of yourself.
"Vervain" helps with calming the anger of Lyme Rage.
"Attend" is a supplement you can get at the health food store that has
many homeopathic remedies and natural brain/nerve food that is designed
for ADD children. I take it and it helps smooth out the rough spots.
There are so many more herbs and supplements that can help depending on
what you are trying to do.
TRUEHOPE
http://www.truehope .com/default. aspx
has people you can actually talk to in finding a good supplement
addressing bipolar affective disorder, depression, schizophrenia,
attention deficit disorder and other central nervous system disorders.

They can help you with a program to get off your drugs too.
Andrew

On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:21 PM, robbojnr27 wrote:

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http://www.es-uk.info/

Please Join

Best

Giles


     

can't believe your recommending something called true hope






--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: