reply to Quaixeman re. ground current

Quaixeman wrote:
> I would not be surprised if
> there is a good ground current going through the ground here.  I
> think I have a ground current on the floor of my house.  I don't know
> if I am helping or hurting by grounding all the I-beams and aluminum
> siding and roof .  I don't know much about it but I would like to
> investigate this more and hopefully solve the problem.  I would like
> to check my perceived ground current in my house floor. 
>
Shivani replies:
If you have current on the ground and you ground the things that you
mention you have, you are giving the high frequencies free access via itemsand
they are now broadcasting the damaging frequencies throughout your living
space.
You can have someone come with an oscilloscope and read what is on your
ground, your beams, etc. You can also buy a clamp-on ampmeter and take
readings on your pipes, beams, etcetera yourself. If there is current onthese,
you can bet it contains the same high frequencies that you found in your
circuits.
In the US today it is no longer safe to ground to ground/terra firma.  
Some individuals grounding earth tethers, faraday cages, etc. have made
themselves very ill doing this.    
High frequency electrical fields on your floor can also be caused by
having high frequency current on water pipes, phone or tv lines that are running
under the floor. Remember that the high frequencies are subject to the
"skin effect," so they tend to spread out over surfaces that you would not
ordinarliy consider conductive.
Regards,
Shivani


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Thank you so much for that information. May I ask, if it is not a
good idea to ground to ground rods in the ground such things as
faraday cages and I-beams under trailers, is there a place that is a
good idea to ground? I am almost certain there is a ground current
on my floor. I have no idea where it is coming from though. Only
speculation that there is a ground current in the ground. I will be
looking into those devices that you mentioned. I have to find out
where it is coming from and solve this problem I am having before I
have a stroke. Thanks again.



--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
> Quaixeman wrote:
> > I would not be surprised if
> > there is a good ground current going through the ground here.  I
> > think I have a ground current on the floor of my house.  I don't
know
> > if I am helping or hurting by grounding all the I-beams and
aluminum
> > siding and roof .  I don't know much about it but I would like to
> > investigate this more and hopefully solve the problem.  I would
like
> > to check my perceived ground current in my house floor. 
> >
> Shivani replies:
> If you have current on the ground and you ground the things
that you
> mention you have, you are giving the high frequencies free access
via items and
> they are now broadcasting the damaging frequencies throughout your
living
> space.
> You can have someone come with an oscilloscope and read what
is on your
> ground, your beams, etc. You can also buy a clamp-on ampmeter
and take
> readings on your pipes, beams, etcetera yourself. If there is
current on these,
> you can bet it contains the same high frequencies that you found in
your
> circuits.
> In the US today it is no longer safe to ground to ground/terra
firma.  
> Some individuals grounding earth tethers, faraday cages, etc. have
made
> themselves very ill doing this.    
> High frequency electrical fields on your floor can also be
caused by
> having high frequency current on water pipes, phone or tv lines
that are running
> under the floor. Remember that the high frequencies are subject
to the
> "skin effect," so they tend to spread out over surfaces that you
would not
> ordinarliy consider conductive.
> Regards,
> Shivani
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
> Quai Xemen: I tested the faraday cage with my trifield meter.
There is a definite magnetic current when I put the meter next to the
AWG no. 2 wire that takes it to the ground rod. And that is even
when the TV is turned off. It sits right next to the TV. As I
stated before that I felt a definite current going through my fingers
when I held the wire in my hand just before connecting it to the
ground rod. I attributed this to the TV which was on at the time. I
think that since I felt this current in my fingers before I attached
it to the ground rod then it is definitely pulling something out of
the house and going to ground. But then again, I know really nothing
about this stuff and so I don't know what might be happening after
the wire is attached to the ground. I'm getting a reading of about
1.5 on the magnetic side when the meter is next to the wire grounding
the faraday cage and it drops to almost nothing only a few inches
away from the cage. I think the cage is safe. But still I will have
to do some testing to find out exactly what is going on once I get
those items you suggested I use to take measurements myself. Thanks.
> >
> >
> Shivani replies:
> If you have current on the ground and you ground the things
that you
> mention you have, you are giving the high frequencies free access
via items and
> they are now broadcasting the damaging frequencies throughout your
living
> space.
> You can have someone come with an oscilloscope and read what
is on your
> ground, your beams, etc. You can also buy a clamp-on ampmeter
and take
> readings on your pipes, beams, etcetera yourself. If there is
current on these,
> you can bet it contains the same high frequencies that you found in
your
> circuits.
> In the US today it is no longer safe to ground to ground/terra
firma.
> Some individuals grounding earth tethers, faraday cages, etc. have
made
> themselves very ill doing this.
> High frequency electrical fields on your floor can also be
caused by
> having high frequency current on water pipes, phone or tv lines
that are running
> under the floor. Remember that the high frequencies are subject
to the
> "skin effect," so they tend to spread out over surfaces that you
would not
> ordinarliy consider conductive.
> Regards,
> Shivani
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am looking at google for clamp on amp meters. I am just learning
about this stuff and would like to avoid any costly mistakes. I see
some clamp meters that measure more than just 60 hertz but give a
readout of frequency. I'm thinking that this might be the kind of
meter I might need in order to isolate the source by finding what is
eminating that frequency. Do you recommend any particular clamp on
amp meter as there are so many of them on the market? thanks.


--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
> Quaixeman wrote:
> > I would not be surprised if
> > there is a good ground current going through the ground here.  I
> > think I have a ground current on the floor of my house.  I don't
know
> > if I am helping or hurting by grounding all the I-beams and
aluminum
> > siding and roof .  I don't know much about it but I would like to
> > investigate this more and hopefully solve the problem.  I would
like
> > to check my perceived ground current in my house floor. 
> >
> Shivani replies:
> If you have current on the ground and you ground the things
that you
> mention you have, you are giving the high frequencies free access
via items and
> they are now broadcasting the damaging frequencies throughout your
living
> space.
> You can have someone come with an oscilloscope and read what
is on your
> ground, your beams, etc. You can also buy a clamp-on ampmeter
and take
> readings on your pipes, beams, etcetera yourself. If there is
current on these,
> you can bet it contains the same high frequencies that you found in
your
> circuits.
> In the US today it is no longer safe to ground to ground/terra
firma.  
> Some individuals grounding earth tethers, faraday cages, etc. have
made
> themselves very ill doing this.    
> High frequency electrical fields on your floor can also be
caused by
> having high frequency current on water pipes, phone or tv lines
that are running
> under the floor. Remember that the high frequencies are subject
to the
> "skin effect," so they tend to spread out over surfaces that you
would not
> ordinarliy consider conductive.
> Regards,
> Shivani
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My training with Slim Spurling has taught me that the Hartman Lines
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/geobiology29mar04.shtml
or the energy/electrical/geopathic stress lines that the electricity  
uses to return to "base" may cause those readings or symptoms.
You can find those line predictably every 5-6 feet or so with dowsing  
in a grid pattern.
I turned all the power off in my house and I still get a body voltage  
reading in my living room. With dowsing, I found the lines and laid  
copper rods to block them and it seems to help a little. I need to do  
more investigating because they are not all gone.
At his workshop, Slim showed us how to block geopathic lines, Hartman  
lines, or detrimental lines that cross our homes, beds, property etc.  
by laying and burying copper rods horizontally at the property line.
I am not 100% that it works but I do see immediate improvement in the  
dowsing rods when I take blind measurements.
So, learning how to dowse may be helpful to find these lines and lay  
down some copper welding rods and see if it makes a difference. Be sure  
to ask the rods which direction it is flowing (usually from the South  
and West to the East and North for some reason) so you can block or  
redirect the energy around your property before it goes through the  
house rather than blocking it in your house.
Andrew



On Aug 21, 2005, at 7:10 PM, quaixemen wrote:

I began to wonder about something. I thought if I unhooked the ground
wire from the ground rod and then measured both the ground rod and
the ground wire separately I might find out which direction the
current is going, i.e. into the house or out to the ground rod. But
as soon as I disconnected them the readings dropped on both the
ground rod and the wire. I was using a trifield meter instead of a
clamp on amp meter. I think they may sell a clamp on amp meter that
tells you the direction and maybe also the frequency of the current.  
Anybody recommend anything?



--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote:
>
> Quaixeman wrote:
> > I would not be surprised if
> > there is a good ground current going through the ground here.  I
> > think I have a ground current on the floor of my house.  I don't
know
> > if I am helping or hurting by grounding all the I-beams and
aluminum
> > siding and roof .  I don't know much about it but I would like to
> > investigate this more and hopefully solve the problem.  I would
like
> > to check my perceived ground current in my house floor. 
> >
> Shivani replies:
> If you have current on the ground and you ground the things
that you
> mention you have, you are giving the high frequencies free access
via items and
> they are now broadcasting the damaging frequencies throughout your
living
> space.
> You can have someone come with an oscilloscope and read what
is on your
> ground, your beams, etc. You can also buy a clamp-on ampmeter
and take
> readings on your pipes, beams, etcetera yourself. If there is
current on these,
> you can bet it contains the same high frequencies that you found in
your
> circuits.
> In the US today it is no longer safe to ground to ground/terra
firma.  
> Some individuals grounding earth tethers, faraday cages, etc. have
made
> themselves very ill doing this.    
> High frequency electrical fields on your floor can also be
caused by
> having high frequency current on water pipes, phone or tv lines
that are running
> under the floor. Remember that the high frequencies are subject
to the
> "skin effect," so they tend to spread out over surfaces that you
would not
> ordinarliy consider conductive.
> Regards,
> Shivani
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Take a clothes hanger wire and bend it into an L shape. Put it in your  
hand and point it level to the ground over the site you want. Tell it  
to show you the direction of electricity flow and it will point in the  
direction that it is flowing.
Try it.
Copper rods or antenna type wire works better but this hangers are fine.
Andrew
On Aug 22, 2005, at 12:52 PM, quaixemen wrote: