reply to Pete

Pete wrote"
> there seems to be an element of religious/spiritual
> overtone to some of what is being discussed here, which is only helpful
> to those who consider that particular faith type to be for them.
>      
> Shivani replies:
> As I said, the Kundalini force is universal. Different cultures have
> different terms for it. It is not a religious pehnomenon.    
>
Pete wrote:
> While I have taken a large number of helpful points from Sarjuna
> regarding what she did to make her symptons better, including the
> Stetzer filters, when she starts to give advice to others about them
> being liable for past life experiences, without any evidence to the
> point (how can there be..) the advice becomes extremely subjective, to
> the point of being inappropriate, as it relates ES/energy knowledge to a
> particular 'faith' system.
>      
> Shivani replies:
I was not giving advice, just suggesting possible causes to consider for
certain symptoms.
I was not talking about any "liability," either.
Since you bring it up, there is lots of evidence of reincarnation.  
Would you like to discuss that on this list? You are the one bringing up all
these things which I did not bring up at all. I just suggested that some
symptoms might be kundalilni related and that I would be glad to discuss that
further, in private correspondence, with anyone who was interested. If you did
not keep bringing this up, you would not be hearing more about it here on this
list.
     

Pete said:
> If I started to offer advice such as, "Well Nils, you probably dont
> realise that when you worshipped Baal 15 generations ago you may have
> made a blood covenant to the goddess Athena and probably have an energy
> block that needs serious upside -down meditation to overcome" I am not
> sure it would be well received,
>
Shivani replies:
You have a knack for the absurd. I have no idea what anyone's past
life events are that might lead to present problems, mentioned nothing of the
sort and gave no advice.  
I wonder if your imagination would have kicked into overdrive in this
fashion if my name were Martha Jones.

Pete said:
> but I guess I am probably just overly
> concerned that we are all reminded ES is not a religious, spiritual or
> faith based problem, it obviously has no such boundaries, but is an
> environmental issue that CAN be dealt with if enough rational debate and
> honest science is brought to bear..
>      
> Shivani agrees.

Pete wrote:
> The root of the problem is for me that a lot of people reject chinese
> medicine, reflexology, herbalists, and even chiropractics as being
> weird, unscientific, and  irrelevent, when they obviously and
> demonstrably are not.
>
> How strange. Kundalini is as real as these. You get upset when
people reject what you have found to be true and useful, but are willing toreject
what others have found so, that you have yet to look into and know nothing
about.
By the way, the Chinese medicine you like is familair with Kundalini.  
They just have a different name for it.

Pete wrote: Shivani replies:
Take another look at what I said. I did not "attach a religion or
faith" to anything. I made it quite clear that I was not doing that, in fact.  
I repeat my request that anyone responding to me PLEASE first be aware
of what I have actually said.
>
> Regarding funding, those in control of the bucks are plenty motivated to
avoid doing any real research, as it will affect the inflow of their bucks!
Dr. Havas had to take a sabbatical to do the study of the Graham Stetzer
filters.
In the past, those doing genuine, unbiased resesarch have had their
research facilities taken away from them.  
It is naive to think that this situation is caused by anything the ES
people say or do.  

Regards,
Shivani
     
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