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reply to Mark re. Quantum Pro

SArjuna

Mark wrote:
> The oscilliscope reading is not the ultimate
> measurement.  Improved health is.
>
Shivani replies:
However, if the QP does what they claim it does, this would be clearly
demonstrated by before-and-after oscilloscope waveforms. It is inexplicable
that the QP people do not provide this - if in fact the QP does create one
continuous waveform.  
If they offered that proof of their claim, it would make it believable.  
Otherwise, it appears like the claims made by the makers of many other
gizmos, most of which do not do what they claim, but depend on the credulity of the
public to sell them. I have read your comments about how many things you
have purchased that did not help. Don't you agree that it would be good for
product makers to offer proof of their claims about what their products
actually do?  
At any rate, the scientific community will never take seriously a
product that claims to affect the waveform (frequencies) but fails to substantiate
that claim.
Regards,
Shivani
     
     


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Re: reply to Mark re. Quantum Pro

Marc Martin
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> However, if the QP does what they claim it does, this would be
> clearly demonstrated by before-and-after oscilloscope waveforms.
> It is inexplicable that the QP people do not provide this - if
> in fact the QP does create one continuous waveform.

Does Quantum Products really say anywhere that they create
one continuous waveform? They talk a lot about signal-to-noise
ratio, but I don't think that's the same thing.

The folks at Quantum Products don't seem to think the same way
you do. They do not consider everything in the world as operating
at one continuos 60hz waveform. They see that there are computer
chips operating in the Gigahertz range. They see stereo systems
working in the Kilohertz range. They see that there are all
sorts of frequencies in our environment, and ALL of these
frequencies have noise in them. And by using their products, they
can reduce the noise throughout the entire spectrum.

But frankly, I agree with you that their products are poorly
described and poorly marketed. I thinks the main guy behind
the company is a physicist/electronics engineer/researcher,
and not very good at marketing. The main guy behind the
company QuantumQRT.com used to be the marketing guy for
Quantum Products, and you can see that these products
are more credibly marketed(but in my experience with both
lines, the products at QuantumProducts.com are more
people-friendly)

> I have read your comments about how many things you
> have purchased that did not help. Don't you agree that it would be
> good for product makers to offer proof of their claims about
> what their products actually do?

Frankly, I've read the studies that Quantum Products has
done and read the testimonial plus used them myself, and
consider that it has reached my threshold of "proof" already.
However, I'm sure that I've read stuff that you haven't,
and I probably have a lower threshold of proof than you. :-)
After all, I'm still not convinced that an oscilliscope
reading is relevant.

Also, proof or not, one can NEVER guarantee that they
are going to have good results from ANY product. (You
should see all the cat urine remover products I had to
try before I found one that worked as advertised)(same
thing for air purifiers). So there's nothing unique
about EMF protection devices -- it's "buyer beware"
no matter what you buy. At least Quantum Products
appears to have a good money back guarantee.

Also, just because I have good results from these
products doesn't guarantee that all people with ES will.
In fact, we've already seen people who have reported
both ways on Quantum Products. And we've seen people
report both ways on Stetzer filters as well. Everyone
is different.

Marc

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Re: reply to Mark re. Quantum Pro

Drasko Cvijovic


Shivani, if you care that much about oscilloscope readings, just try to
prove anything regarding Stetzer by an oscilloscope, but without plugging an
oscilloscope into a wall outlet. I bet that without plugging (therefore
regarding the real space where we, people, are in) Quantum has more chance
to cause any objectively noticable difference....
Again: GS makes difference in wires while outside the wires they don't even
claim any objectively quantified diffrence!

Drasko



----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] reply to Mark re. Quantum Pro


> > However, if the QP does what they claim it does, this would be
> > clearly demonstrated by before-and-after oscilloscope waveforms.
> > It is inexplicable that the QP people do not provide this - if
> > in fact the QP does create one continuous waveform.
>
> Does Quantum Products really say anywhere that they create
> one continuous waveform? They talk a lot about signal-to-noise
> ratio, but I don't think that's the same thing.
>
> The folks at Quantum Products don't seem to think the same way
> you do. They do not consider everything in the world as operating
> at one continuos 60hz waveform. They see that there are computer
> chips operating in the Gigahertz range. They see stereo systems
> working in the Kilohertz range. They see that there are all
> sorts of frequencies in our environment, and ALL of these
> frequencies have noise in them. And by using their products, they
> can reduce the noise throughout the entire spectrum.
>
> But frankly, I agree with you that their products are poorly
> described and poorly marketed. I thinks the main guy behind
> the company is a physicist/electronics engineer/researcher,
> and not very good at marketing. The main guy behind the
> company QuantumQRT.com used to be the marketing guy for
> Quantum Products, and you can see that these products
> are more credibly marketed(but in my experience with both
> lines, the products at QuantumProducts.com are more
> people-friendly)
>
> > I have read your comments about how many things you
> > have purchased that did not help. Don't you agree that it would be
> > good for product makers to offer proof of their claims about
> > what their products actually do?
>
> Frankly, I've read the studies that Quantum Products has
> done and read the testimonial plus used them myself, and
> consider that it has reached my threshold of "proof" already.
> However, I'm sure that I've read stuff that you haven't,
> and I probably have a lower threshold of proof than you. :-)
> After all, I'm still not convinced that an oscilliscope
> reading is relevant.
>
> Also, proof or not, one can NEVER guarantee that they
> are going to have good results from ANY product. (You
> should see all the cat urine remover products I had to
> try before I found one that worked as advertised)(same
> thing for air purifiers). So there's nothing unique
> about EMF protection devices -- it's "buyer beware"
> no matter what you buy. At least Quantum Products
> appears to have a good money back guarantee.
>
> Also, just because I have good results from these
> products doesn't guarantee that all people with ES will.
> In fact, we've already seen people who have reported
> both ways on Quantum Products. And we've seen people
> report both ways on Stetzer filters as well. Everyone
> is different.
>
> Marc
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