reply to Drasko

Re: article from the Vancouver Sun

Drasko wrote:
Hey, Shivani, I would appreciate more info that you announced you have to be
shared with us! But please let's make it as rational as possible.
For example, the sentence of below (from the article you forwarded) doesn't
seem to be even near truth...

"There is about 225 per cent more power coming
out of our televisions, computers, dimmer switches, fluorescent lights and
other technologies in the homes, than went in through the wires. "

I didn't write the article, Drasko. What this refers to is that high
frequency current has more power than 60Hz. More "oomph." This is why it
induces and transmits more current into us. The writer could have said a
bit more to make this clear, yes.



Drasko wrote:
Incidentally, I have myself been trying these days to get more rational info
from Graham Stetzer's but I am still far from the answer...

How have you been trying to get info from Graham and Stetzer? Have you
spoken with Dave? He is certainly quite rational.


Drasko wrote:
My point is that we are all the time "bathing" in various man made EMFs, and
just a very, very small part originates from dirty electricity. Anybody
equipped with even simple RF / ELF maters can prove so. The various meters
would show almost the same with and without Graham Stetzer filters.
Indeed, together with the filters you really can by some their specific
meters, that do show the difference, but that meters monitor the situation
WITHIN THE WIRES. The effect outside the wires is almost immeasurable!! (We
don't live in the wires, do we, so why should we be so much concerned with
the development within the wires??!!)

The GS meter is designed to read what is in the wiring because that is
what will be broadcast throughout the building. If there is RF in the wires,
it will be broadcast 6 feet from the wires, perhaps further. If there is no
RF in the wires, then it cannot be broadcast. So, it is very relevant to
know what is in the wires and reduce it if needed.
The situation outside the wires can also be measured if one has the
right meter. These are too expensive for most people to own, and that is why the
GS meter was developed, to give people an affordable way to take readings.
Readings have certainly been taken using the (expensive) meters that can
read both the voltage and the frequency of the fields throughout any room,
showing that these go down as the RF in the wiring is reduced. This same kind
of metering shows the frequency and voltage of the individuals present going
down when the filters are installed.
Of course, as I mentioned, if RF has gotten onto your water pipes, etc.
the filters cannot address this as they cannot be plugged in to water pipes,
etc. so you have to take aditional measures if you have that problem.


Drasko wrote:
The only potentially negotiable issue is whether that very small and very
specific part of spectrum (that GS filters do remove) - is for some
mysterious reason extremely biologically important.

from the resuslts that are occurring when the filters are used, this
certainly seems to be the case!
By the way, the frequencies they are designed to remove are not
accidental. They were designed to remove the polluting frequencies that are in the
household current. Have you watched on an oscilloscope as the GS filters are
installed? You can literally see the non60Hz frequencies disappearing froml
the screen. In our home, without the filters the screen looks as if a child
had scribbled all up and down densely across the screen.

Again, I would like to point out that it is not rational to expect the
filters to be a panacea. They do what they were designed to do and they do it
very well.
Most of us spend most of our time at home and at work or school. When
the RF in these environments is reduced by the filters, we benefit greatly, as
is being shown so dramatically by the actual results being found in schools
and homes.

Regards,
Shivani




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> The situation outside the wires can also be measured if one has the
> right meter. These are too expensive for most people to own, and that
> is why the GS meter was developed, to give people an affordable way to take
> readings.

I own the affordable Graham Stetzer RF meter, and was a bit surprised
when I was testing it out.

I own several different filters that are supposed to clean up the
power lines. I have verified that these do indeed
do *something*, as I can feel the difference when they are plugged
in and when they are not. And yet, the Graham Stetzer meter
registers no difference when these things are plugged in. Of
course, the meter registers a difference when the Graham Stetzer
filters are plugged in, but that's the only filter which
has any effect on that meter.

So it's just yet another case when my perceived reactions have
absolutely nothing to do with what the meter says (which has
been the case with every meter I've tried in the past)

Marc

Hello all,

there seems to ber some misunderstanding concerning the Stetzer thing.

I also do have now such a Stetzer meter.
I am waiting for some filters in order to test something.

It is quite understandable that some people do not feel anything about those
filters.

Remember, they are just for the frequency spectrum of 5 kHz till 100 kHz.
That is in the lower part of high frequency, or just between low and high
frequency.
So, it has nothing to do with mobile phones.
It has to do with high frequency *noise* on the low frequency (50/60 Hz) of
our electrical currents, which is coming from the wall sockets.

However, these frequencies van have an impact on electrosensible people.
I have a HAARP, or VLF Detektor (see www.priggen.com) which detects signals
from 5 kHz to 30 kHz and from 30 kHz to 150 kHz.
It has an retractable antenna, and measures the signals *in space* (where
the Stetzer meter only measures in the wall sockets).
That way I have found some very interesting disturbing sources, even from
telephones with wires (non-cordless).
Also, from CRT monitors and TFT monitors (which were *off*), and some
halogen bulbs.

So the Stetzer meter is only meant to find some high frequency ballast on
low frequency currents, only between 5 kHz and 100 kHz, so anything above
that is not accounted for.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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Subject: [eSens] reply to Drasko


>
>
> Re: article from the Vancouver Sun
>
> Drasko wrote:
> Hey, Shivani, I would appreciate more info that you announced you have to
be
> shared with us! But please let's make it as rational as possible.
> For example, the sentence of below (from the article you forwarded)
doesn't
> seem to be even near truth...
>
> "There is about 225 per cent more power coming
> out of our televisions, computers, dimmer switches, fluorescent lights and
> other technologies in the homes, than went in through the wires. "
>
> I didn't write the article, Drasko. What this refers to is that
high
> frequency current has more power than 60Hz. More "oomph." This is why
it
> induces and transmits more current into us. The writer could have said a
> bit more to make this clear, yes.
>
>
>
> Drasko wrote:
> Incidentally, I have myself been trying these days to get more rational
info
> from Graham Stetzer's but I am still far from the answer...
>
> How have you been trying to get info from Graham and Stetzer? Have
you
> spoken with Dave? He is certainly quite rational.
>
>
> Drasko wrote:
> My point is that we are all the time "bathing" in various man made EMFs,
and
> just a very, very small part originates from dirty electricity. Anybody
> equipped with even simple RF / ELF maters can prove so. The various meters
> would show almost the same with and without Graham Stetzer filters.
> Indeed, together with the filters you really can by some their specific
> meters, that do show the difference, but that meters monitor the situation
> WITHIN THE WIRES. The effect outside the wires is almost immeasurable!!
(We
> don't live in the wires, do we, so why should we be so much concerned with
> the development within the wires??!!)
>
> The GS meter is designed to read what is in the wiring because that
is
> what will be broadcast throughout the building. If there is RF in the
wires,
> it will be broadcast 6 feet from the wires, perhaps further. If there is
no
> RF in the wires, then it cannot be broadcast. So, it is very relevant to
> know what is in the wires and reduce it if needed.
> The situation outside the wires can also be measured if one has the
> right meter. These are too expensive for most people to own, and that is
why the
> GS meter was developed, to give people an affordable way to take readings.
> Readings have certainly been taken using the (expensive) meters that
can
> read both the voltage and the frequency of the fields throughout any room,
> showing that these go down as the RF in the wiring is reduced. This
same kind
> of metering shows the frequency and voltage of the individuals present
going
> down when the filters are installed.
> Of course, as I mentioned, if RF has gotten onto your water pipes,
etc.
> the filters cannot address this as they cannot be plugged in to water
pipes, are in the
> household current. Have you watched on an oscilloscope as the GS filters
are
> installed? You can literally see the non60Hz frequencies disappearing
froml
> the screen. In our home, without the filters the screen looks as if a
child
> had scribbled all up and down densely across the screen.
>
> Again, I would like to point out that it is not rational to expect
the
> filters to be a panacea. They do what they were designed to do and they
do it
> very well.
> Most of us spend most of our time at home and at work or school.
When
> the RF in these environments is reduced by the filters, we benefit
greatly, as
> is being shown so dramatically by the actual results being found in
schools

Charles wrote:
> So the Stetzer meter is only meant to find some high frequency
ballast onlow frequency currents, only between 5 kHz and 100 kHz, so
anything above that is not accounted for.

The filters do take out some of the frequencies higher than 100, up
to 400. But this is not advertised as this is not their main job.
They are most effective in the advertised range, as they were
designed to be because that is where most of the pollution is.
Shivani