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SArjuna

reply to Drasko re. new house problems

Drasko wrote:
> After my failure to achieve an active good feeling in a (practicaly) total
> absence of EMFs (at my new low EMF home), while having such good experiances
> at some places with significant EMF pollution, I am inclined to believe that
> EMFs are just a part of what we do sense. Instead of completing the puzzle, I
> am at the beginnning...
>
Shivani replies:
What kind of meter were you using to measure EMFs? If all you used was
a guass meter, you were only able to measure your magnetic fields. You need
to use a good, sensitive (not a Trifield) electric field meter to know
whether you have electric fields. Electric fields exist in many places that
magnetic fields do not. If you have high-frequency electrical polllution riding on
the 60 Hz from your utility company, or entering the home via water pipes,
phone lines, etc., you may have electrical fields with these harmful frequencies
radiating from your walls, furniture, etc.
Such amaxing health improvements occur when this electrical pollution is
remediated or avoided, that it currently appears to be the #1 EMR culprit.
(Living near transmission lines or a cell tower are also problematic, of
course.)
Do you have a good electric field meter?
Another factor in choosing a home location, and the location of one's
bed within the home, is geopathic energies. I have experienced the same kind
of symptoms from sleeping in geopathic areas as from harmful electrical
frequencies.
Geopathy is well-researched. However, like the health dangers of EMR,
the public remains largely unaware of it.
I suggest you check your new house for this, as well.

Regards,
Shivani

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Drasko Cvijovic

Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems

> What kind of meter were you using to measure EMFs?

Well, I have them all... The features of the specially shielded room where I
sleep are (hard to imagine but true!):

Magnetic (ELF up to kHz range) < 0.1 mG
Electric (ELF up to kHz range) < 0.1 V/m
RF/MW (up to 3 GHz) < 0.001 microW/m2

= (practically) no EMFs worth measuring! Practically impossible to make it
much better in real living conditions!

Regarding geopathic radiations, I have been following the issue for some 20
years and I am still at the following position:
Although I am very ready to believe there is such thing, having seen very
many dowsers, and knowing them, I have offered a reward (applicable here in
Belgrade): If a dowser finds his reliable colleague and they make
(naturally - independently) the readings that correspond, I would pay them
three times as usual price (for home readings)!!
Up to now I did have several such trials, but unsuccessful. The rest (most)
of them rejected the proposal right away. The excuses were something like "I
don't know anybody as good as me" or "You should believe in my ability
without testing"...

Drasko

charles-4

Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems

Hello Drasko,

Regarding geopathic radiations, they are to be measured.

First with a compass.
Hold it straight (aligned) and adjusted to the north.
Now slowly move in a straight line.
If there are spots, where the compass needle is going astray, you may have a
geopathic spot.

Secondly, it is to be measured with a magnetometer.
There are simple ones.
They measure the difference to the earth magnetic field, which is about
45.000 nT.
There are types with a measuring sonde on a cable.
And there are which work 3D.

And thirdly, one can measure with a *scintillationscounter*, which is a very
sensitive radioactivity meter, and very expensive.

PS. earth beams go straight up.
So, if you measure something, it is good to lower or raise your instrument.
If the signal encreases with lowering, than you have found something
metallic under the floos or soil.

If the signal remains strong, even going up, even to a higher floor, you may
have found an earth beam.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 21:39
Subject: Re: [eSens] reply to Drasko re. new house problems

> > What kind of meter were you using to measure EMFs?
>
> Well, I have them all... The features of the specially shielded room where
I

> sleep are (hard to imagine but true!):
>
> Magnetic (ELF up to kHz range) < 0.1 mG
> Electric (ELF up to kHz range) < 0.1 V/m
> RF/MW (up to 3 GHz) < 0.001 microW/m2
>
> = (practically) no EMFs worth measuring! Practically impossible to make it
> much better in real living conditions!
>
> Regarding geopathic radiations, I have been following the issue for some

20
> years and I am still at the following position:
> Although I am very ready to believe there is such thing, having seen very
> many dowsers, and knowing them, I have offered a reward (applicable here
in
> Belgrade): If a dowser finds his reliable colleague and they make
> (naturally - independently) the readings that correspond, I would pay them
> three times as usual price (for home readings)!!
> Up to now I did have several such trials, but unsuccessful. The rest
(most)
> of them rejected the proposal right away. The excuses were something like
"I

> don't know anybody as good as me" or "You should believe in my ability
> without testing"...
>
> Drasko
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rowster_c

Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems

Hello Charles et al, greetings to all,

> If the signal remains strong, even going up, even to
a higher floor, you may
> have found an earth beam.

I am very interested in geopathic stress and have been
trying to find info on your 'earth beams'. I have seen
something on a Polish website concerning it. I have
put a submission into the government to check a
strong geopathic stress site (4 streams, 2 intersecting,
cancer, CFS and ES). The government may be
bringing out a spectrum analyser, they indicated that
they probably would shortly. I would be very grateful
if you could possibly provide any more information
pn these earth beams. I see that the Polish researchers
believe that beams of 1400 MHz come up from the
ground at some of these underground streams.
Additionally I am wondering whether maybe gamma
rays or other cosmic particles may be involved. It
seems that these underground streams may carry a lot
of the man made currents. If so this would expose the
sleeper over the top to the same fields as if he or she
were living under a phone tower.Someone I know has
offered a geomagnetometer.

I would be very interested if you could provide any
more info here, as the government should be calling
soon and it would be good to get something official
done.

Thanks,
Rowan Campbell

--- In [hidden email], "charles"
<charles@m...> wrote:
> Hello Drasko,
>
> Regarding geopathic radiations, they are to be
measured.
>
> First with a compass.
> Hold it straight (aligned) and adjusted to the north.
> Now slowly move in a straight line.
> If there are spots, where the compass needle is
going astray, you may have a
> geopathic spot.
>
> Secondly, it is to be measured with a
magnetometer.
> There are simple ones.
> They measure the difference to the earth magnetic
field, which is about
> 45.000 nT.
> There are types with a measuring sonde on a cable.
> And there are which work 3D.
>
> And thirdly, one can measure with a
*scintillationscounter*, which is a very
> sensitive radioactivity meter, and very expensive.
>
> PS. earth beams go straight up.
> So, if you measure something, it is good to lower or
raise your instrument.
> If the signal encreases with lowering, than you have
found something
> metallic under the floos or soil.
>
> If the signal remains strong, even going up, even to
a higher floor, you may

> have found an earth beam.
>
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>

charles-4

Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems

Hello,

that is rubbish.
Earth beams cannot be measured with a spectrum analyser, because those are
static magnetic fields.
There is no frequency involved; the frequency is zero.

They can only be measured with a magnetometer, or a scintillator counter,
which is a very precise radio activity meter, and rather expensive.

Those Polish researchers have drunk too much wodka.
There are no beams coming from the earth with 1400 MHz, or it must be a
secret station, sending out.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "rowsteroz" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 18:50
Subject: [eSens] Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems

> Hello Charles et al, greetings to all,
>
> > If the signal remains strong, even going up, even to
> a higher floor, you may
> > have found an earth beam.
>
> I am very interested in geopathic stress and have been
> trying to find info on your 'earth beams'. I have seen
> something on a Polish website concerning it. I have
> put a submission into the government to check a
> strong geopathic stress site (4 streams, 2 intersecting,
> cancer, CFS and ES). The government may be
> bringing out a spectrum analyser, they indicated that
> they probably would shortly. I would be very grateful
> if you could possibly provide any more information
> pn these earth beams. I see that the Polish researchers
> believe that beams of 1400 MHz come up from the
> ground at some of these underground streams.
> Additionally I am wondering whether maybe gamma
> rays or other cosmic particles may be involved. It
> seems that these underground streams may carry a lot
> of the man made currents. If so this would expose the
> sleeper over the top to the same fields as if he or she
> were living under a phone tower.Someone I know has
> offered a geomagnetometer.
>
> I would be very interested if you could provide any
> more info here, as the government should be calling
> soon and it would be good to get something official
> done.
>
> Thanks,
> Rowan Campbell
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles"
> <charles@m...> wrote:
> > Hello Drasko,
> >
> > Regarding geopathic radiations, they are to be
> measured.
> >
> > First with a compass.
> > Hold it straight (aligned) and adjusted to the north.
> > Now slowly move in a straight line.
> > If there are spots, where the compass needle is
> going astray, you may have a
> > geopathic spot.
> >
> > Secondly, it is to be measured with a
> magnetometer.
> > There are simple ones.
> > They measure the difference to the earth magnetic
> field, which is about
> > 45.000 nT.
> > There are types with a measuring sonde on a cable.
> > And there are which work 3D.
> >
> > And thirdly, one can measure with a
> *scintillationscounter*, which is a very
> > sensitive radioactivity meter, and very expensive.
> >
> > PS. earth beams go straight up.
> > So, if you measure something, it is good to lower or
> raise your instrument.
> > If the signal encreases with lowering, than you have
> found something
> > metallic under the floos or soil.
> >
> > If the signal remains strong, even going up, even to
> a higher floor, you may
> > have found an earth beam.
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Drasko Cvijovic

Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems

Charles,
I agree that "geopathic radiations" can not be measured by EMF meters, but I
think that dowsers won't support measurements made just by magnetometers...
I mean, they believe there is much more to it than magnetic abberations...
("Hartman grid", "Carry grid", etc. or whatever they call it don't
correspond to any objectively measurable magnetic fields.)
Anyway, Norman might like to check the sites dedicated to dowsing, but I
(the same as you, I believe?) won't recomend that mess of information to
somebody non experianced in separating the facts from fiction...

Drasko

rowster_c

Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems

In reply to this post by charles-4

Hello Charles,

Possibly I am not familiar with your term earth rays. I am interested
in the magnetic field description, and shall test with a
geomagnetometer.
Alf Riggs site describes how radio waves travel along underground
streams, www.alfredriggs.com , and www.royriggs.co.uk , and mentions
in one place this 1400 Mhz radiation. A polish site
http://www.matela.iig.pl/en_art_dowsing_in_pl.html refers to some
science done some time ago but not referenced, about 1420 MHz
radiation
from some stream by 'Szul'. I notice that 1420 MHz radiation is
related to
ionized water, and they mention ionisation, so I tend to wonder
what they are referring to. This may be related to
cancer outbreaks, as might ionising radiation. I see you have some
pretty fancy equipment there, I thought you may spotted something.
Maybe they did have some vodka as well to juice themselves along.

Just interested.

Also there is a paper now showing brain waves changing over geopathic
sites:

http://intl.ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/abs_free.jsp?arNumber=954905

Regards, Rowan Campbell

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@m...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> that is rubbish.
> Earth beams cannot be measured with a spectrum analyser, because
those
are
> static magnetic fields.
> There is no frequency involved; the frequency is zero.
>
> They can only be measured with a magnetometer, or a scintillator
counter,
> which is a very precise radio activity meter, and rather expensive.
>
> Those Polish researchers have drunk too much wodka.
> There are no beams coming from the earth with 1400 MHz, or it must
be a
> secret station, sending out.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus

rowster_c

Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems

In reply to this post by Drasko Cvijovic

I detect a lack of interest on the ideas of dowsing. Nevermind.
Just as long as we are on the same side of trying to get to the bottom
of electrosensitivity, which I hope we are. Good idea building
shielded
rooms. Must log off, can't use computer except in bursts.

Rowan.

--- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote:
>
> Charles,
> I agree that "geopathic radiations" can not be measured by EMF
meters,
but I
> think that dowsers won't support measurements made just by
magnetometers.
..
> I mean, they believe there is much more to it than magnetic
abberations..
.
> ("Hartman grid", "Carry grid", etc. or whatever they call it don't
> correspond to any objectively measurable magnetic fields.)
> Anyway, Norman might like to check the sites dedicated to dowsing,
but I
> (the same as you, I believe?) won't recomend that mess of
information to
> somebody non experianced in separating the facts from fiction...
>
> Drasko

charles-4

Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems

Hello Rowan,

it is not a lack of interest of dowsing.
Only, with dowsing one cannot measure EMF.
Dowsers cannot distinguish between several different fields.

They may find *something*, but cannot tell what it represents.
Certainly, no MHz can be determind.
One may find an *earth beam*, but when somebody farther away puts off his
DECT phone, the *earth beam* has been vanished.

There are so many grids (Hartmann, Curry) as there are dowser clubs.
If they all exist, there is not one square mm free on earth.
And only Mr Hartmann or Mr. Curry can measure their grids.

Dowsing has also to do with the person holding it.

With electronic measuring equipment, all measurements can be replicated
(when done in an orderly way).

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "rowsteroz" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 09:03
Subject: [eSens] Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems

> I detect a lack of interest on the ideas of dowsing. Nevermind.
> Just as long as we are on the same side of trying to get to the bottom
> of electrosensitivity, which I hope we are. Good idea building
> shielded
> rooms. Must log off, can't use computer except in bursts.
>
> Rowan.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Charles,
> > I agree that "geopathic radiations" can not be measured by EMF
> meters,
> but I
> > think that dowsers won't support measurements made just by
> magnetometers.
> ..
> > I mean, they believe there is much more to it than magnetic
> abberations..
> .
> > ("Hartman grid", "Carry grid", etc. or whatever they call it don't
> > correspond to any objectively measurable magnetic fields.)
> > Anyway, Norman might like to check the sites dedicated to dowsing,
> but I
> > (the same as you, I believe?) won't recomend that mess of
> information to
> > somebody non experianced in separating the facts from fiction...
> >
> > Drasko
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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