re. fire retardant or EMF?
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Jill wrote:
I have EMF and MCS sensitivities and have been trying out different LCD screens. I'm noticing that some bother me (numb hands, headache) and some don't. However, I've also been noticing that there is a certain SMELL that comes from some screens, and also from TV screens - so strong it sticks to the fabric I drape over my TV set. It's an old TV though, and I now can't get the smell out of the fabric despite numerous washings. I'm wondering if anyone shared this experience and knows if I'm smelling the PDBE (fire retardant) or just plastic heating up or some other electric smell. If I know what it is, I can look for items that aren't made this way and it will help me use more appliances if possible. Shivani replies: I have read that as much as 50% of the body of new computers is composed of fire retardant chemicals. The smell is strongest when the computer is new, but it will continue to outgas indefinitely. Unfortunately, most small appliances these days are made of plastics. One thing that will help to some extent is to buy used items that have done their initial outgassing in somebody else's home. Or a demonstration model that has been sitting on the shelf a long time, vs. one that is still in its plastic packaging. What is being outgassed is not just fire retardant. We make a big mistake if we think it is "JUST plastic heating up." Plastics are continually outgassing their toxic components. There are very eye-openingarticles on plastics at: http://mindfully.org/Plastic/6th-Basic-Food-Group.htm and www.ecologycenter.org/erc/fact_sheets/plastichealtheffects.html and http://www.culturechange.org/e-letter-plastics.html. "When you eat or drink things stored in plastic, wear plastic, sit on plastic, taste it, smell it, and so on, plastic is incorporated into you." It not only causes cancer but it really messes up our endocrine system. Electrical sensitivity is an issue that involves FREQUENCY. ES people react to specific frequencies. Every element has its own specific frequency. This is why any substance can be identified by spectrum analysis. CS and ES people are sensitive to materials of particular frequencies. This is why it makes sense to simply rid our personal environment of the frequencies found to be most harmful, rather than to rely on pendants and other gizmos that promise to somehow magically render the radiation harmless. Why spend money on gizmo after gizmo that makes no measurable difference in the frequencies present, and some of which actually add harmful frequencies, when there are now filters available (www.stetzerelectric.com or www.electricalpollution.com) that actually remove these frequencies, and that have good research re. the effects? Yes, there still remain the wireless frequencies, but there also still remains to be research done on how much effect the airborne signals have if those in the wiring are removed. The ground installations that support the broadcast towers of the airborne frequencies all create frequencies that travel on the ground and thus make their way to your household wiring. Regards, Shivani [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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SArjuna, I agree with your thinking to an extent. I also have found a lot of relief with the stetzer filters. But they only filter out the high frequencies and do nothing to modify or harmonize the lower frequencies. Once you've done everything you can do with the stetzer filters you should then try a quantum pro. For me the results were amazing. I don't know what it would have made me feel like if I were to plug it in by itself without the stetzers also plugged in. I'm not willing to unplug all my stetzers to find out. --- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote: > Jill wrote: > I have EMF and MCS sensitivities and have been trying out different LCD > screens. I'm noticing that some bother me (numb hands, headache) and some don't. > However, I've also been noticing that there is a certain SMELL that comes from > some screens, and also from TV screens - so strong it sticks to the fabric I > drape over my TV set. It's an old TV though, and I now can't get the smell > out of the fabric despite numerous washings. > > I'm wondering if anyone shared this experience and knows if I'm smelling the > PDBE (fire retardant) or just plastic heating up or some other electric > smell. If I know what it is, I can look for items that aren't made this way and it > will help me use more appliances if possible. > > Shivani replies: > I have read that as much as 50% of the body of new computers is composed > of fire retardant chemicals. The smell is strongest when the computer is > new, but it will continue to outgas indefinitely. Unfortunately, most small > appliances these days are made of plastics. One thing that will help to some > extent is to buy used items that have done their initial outgassing in > somebody else's home. Or a demonstration model that has been sitting on the shelf > a long time, vs. one that is still in its plastic packaging. > What is being outgassed is not just fire retardant. We make a big > mistake if we think it is "JUST plastic heating up." Plastics are > continually outgassing their toxic components. There are very eye- opening articles on > plastics at: http://mindfully.org/Plastic/6th-Basic-Food-Group.htm and > www.ecologycenter.org/erc/fact_sheets/plastichealtheffects.html and > http://www.culturechange.org/e-letter-plastics.html. > > "When you eat or drink things stored in plastic, wear plastic, sit on > plastic, taste it, smell > it, and so on, plastic is incorporated into you." It not only causes > cancer but it really messes up our endocrine system. > Electrical sensitivity is an issue that involves FREQUENCY. ES people > react to specific frequencies. Every element has its own specific > frequency. This is why any substance can be identified by spectrum analysis. CS > and ES people are sensitive to materials of particular frequencies. > This is why it makes sense to simply rid our personal environment of the > frequencies found to be most harmful, rather than to rely on pendants and > other gizmos that promise to somehow magically render the radiation harmless. > Why spend money on gizmo after gizmo that makes no measurable difference in > the frequencies present, and some of which actually add harmful frequencies, > when there are now filters available (www.stetzerelectric.com or > www.electricalpollution.com) that actually remove these frequencies, and that have good > research re. the effects? > Yes, there still remain the wireless frequencies, but there also still > remains to be research done on how much effect the airborne signals have if > those in the wiring are removed. The ground installations that support the > broadcast towers of the airborne frequencies all create frequencies that travel > on the ground and thus make their way to your household wiring. > > > Regards, > Shivani > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I don't know what it would have made me feel like if I were
> to plug it in by itself without the stetzers also plugged in. I'm > not willing to unplug all my stetzers to find out. Not even for a day? Or an hour? You may be the only person on the list with the equipment to perform this experiment! Marc |
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I felt a complete alleviation of my symptoms once I started using the
quantum pro. The difference is night and day. You may not have experienced the kinds of symptoms I was suffering from. It was a lot worse than what I've heard you describe. I don't mean to minimalize your suffering, but if you had experienced the kinds of things I have you wouldn't be asking me to take a chance on experiencing that kind of suffering again. --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote: > > I don't know what it would have made me feel like if I were > > to plug it in by itself without the stetzers also plugged in. I'm > > not willing to unplug all my stetzers to find out. > > Not even for a day? Or an hour? > > You may be the only person on the list with the equipment to > perform this experiment! > > Marc |
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> I felt a complete alleviation of my symptoms once I started using the
> quantum pro. The difference is night and day. You may not have > experienced the kinds of symptoms I was suffering from. It was a lot > worse than what I've heard you describe. I don't mean to minimalize > your suffering, but if you had experienced the kinds of things I have > you wouldn't be asking me to take a chance on experiencing that kind > of suffering again. Okay, well that does at the very least confirm that the Quantum Pro is doing something that the Stetzers are not... Marc |
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I found that the Quantum strip reduces the Stetzer readings
considerably! Last night was the first time that I compared different strips with Stetzer filters in them. I need to try it again on a different to make sure that there wasn't some weird coincidence going on. Can anyone else duplicate this? Andrew On Aug 29, 2005, at 12:36 PM, quaixemen wrote: > > SArjuna, I agree with your thinking to an extent. I also have found > a lot of relief with the stetzer filters. But they only filter out > the high frequencies and do nothing to modify or harmonize the lower > frequencies. Once you've done everything you can do with the stetzer > filters you should then try a quantum pro. For me the results were > amazing. I don't know what it would have made me feel like if I were > to plug it in by itself without the stetzers also plugged in. I'm > not willing to unplug all my stetzers to find out. > > > --- In [hidden email], SArjuna@a... wrote: >> Jill wrote: >> I have EMF and MCS sensitivities and have been trying out different > LCD >> screens. I'm noticing that some bother me (numb hands, headache) > and some don't. >> However, I've also been noticing that there is a certain SMELL that > comes from >> some screens, and also from TV screens - so strong it sticks to the > fabric I >> drape over my TV set. It's an old TV though, and I now can't get > the smell >> out of the fabric despite numerous washings. >> >> I'm wondering if anyone shared this experience and knows if I'm > smelling the >> PDBE (fire retardant) or just plastic heating up or some other > electric >> smell. If I know what it is, I can look for items that aren't > made this way and it >> will help me use more appliances if possible. >> >> Shivani replies: >> I have read that as much as 50% of the body of new computers > is composed >> of fire retardant chemicals. The smell is strongest when the > computer is >> new, but it will continue to outgas indefinitely. Unfortunately, > most small >> appliances these days are made of plastics. One thing that will > help to some >> extent is to buy used items that have done their initial outgassing > in >> somebody else's home. Or a demonstration model that has been > sitting on the shelf >> a long time, vs. one that is still in its plastic packaging. >> What is being outgassed is not just fire retardant. We make > a big >> mistake if we think it is "JUST plastic heating up." Plastics > are >> continually outgassing their toxic components. There are very eye- > opening articles on >> plastics at: http://mindfully.org/Plastic/6th-Basic-Food-Group.htm > and >> www.ecologycenter.org/erc/fact_sheets/plastichealtheffects.html and >> http://www.culturechange.org/e-letter-plastics.html. >> >> "When you eat or drink things stored in plastic, wear plastic, > sit on >> plastic, taste it, smell >> it, and so on, plastic is incorporated into you." It not only > causes >> cancer but it really messes up our endocrine system. >> Electrical sensitivity is an issue that involves FREQUENCY. > ES people >> react to specific frequencies. Every element has its own > specific >> frequency. This is why any substance can be identified by > spectrum analysis. CS >> and ES people are sensitive to materials of particular > frequencies. >> This is why it makes sense to simply rid our personal > environment of the >> frequencies found to be most harmful, rather than to rely on > pendants and >> other gizmos that promise to somehow magically render the radiation > harmless. >> Why spend money on gizmo after gizmo that makes no measurable > difference in >> the frequencies present, and some of which actually add harmful > frequencies, >> when there are now filters available (www.stetzerelectric.com or >> www.electricalpollution.com) that actually remove these > frequencies, and that have good >> research re. the effects? >> Yes, there still remain the wireless frequencies, but there > also still >> remains to be research done on how much effect the airborne signals > have if >> those in the wiring are removed. The ground installations that > support the >> broadcast towers of the airborne frequencies all create frequencies > that travel >> on the ground and thus make their way to your household wiring. >> >> >> Regards, >> Shivani >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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> I found that the Quantum strip reduces the Stetzer readings
> considerably! Last night was the first time that I compared different > strips with Stetzer filters in them. I need to try it again on a > different to make sure that there wasn't some weird coincidence going > on. Can anyone else duplicate this? I haven't seen this in my own testing. For my testing, I used the Stetzerizer meter and one Quantum power strip, plugged into different outlets on the same circuit. I didn't see that the Quantum power strip made any difference to the reading in the Stetzerizer meter. Marc |
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