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> The tricky question here is that some people do have an allergy to
> milk and
> dairy products themselves - not just the possible "contaminants" in
> them.
> Of course lots of nutrition books suggest that dairy products are a big
> no-no altogether, though I think this is often exaggerated. However,
> for
> some people, allergy or intolerance testing does reveal an actual
> sensitivity to milk. Sometimes this is animal-specific. Sue had
> problems
> with cow's milk, tried goat's milk as recommended by nutritionists and
> felt
> worse. Later allergy testing showed that she specifically had low
> tolerance
> to goat's milk.
>
>
>
> For ES people, who in general seem to have compromised immune systems,
> organic milk is likely to be better for you (and, as Cara says, taste
> better) than "commercial" milk, as long as you don't have a dairy
> intolerance. However, forgive me for being unconvinced that raw milk is
> better then pasteurized. Pasteurization (heat treatment) was
> developed long
> before modern chemicals were used on farms (and so was used on organic
> milk)
> and gave health benefits by reducing the total bacterial load. One can
> always top up good bacteria from other food sources, but if one
> accidentally
> introduces bad bacteria into the gut of someone with a weakened immune
> system, couldn't that be very damaging? I guess modern bottling and
> transport methods are probably more sterile than old-fashioned churns,
> but
> it seems to me there are arguments on both sides. Sometimes there
> seems to
> be an assumption that "natural = good" and "modern/processed = bad",
> but
> it's not always as simple as that.
>
>
>
> Ian
>
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> Andrew McAfee
> Sent: 22 November 2005 03:05
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Question for Andrew re colostrum
>
>
>
> I am glad that you are drinking Organic Pastures. The quality is
> extremely high. I have never had that severe of a problem. In past I
> have had intestinal action if I haven't been drinking it for a while.
> My hunch is that he is doing deep healing and is rebooting his
> digestive system. Even if the colostrum is old smelling it is still
> good. I use it and raw organic milk to culture and have it sitting out
> on the counter for days. Delicious!
> I encourage you to call my brother Mark at Organic Pastures and talk
> with him if you want more feedback or to talk with many hundreds of
> others that drink his milk.
> Do what feels right to you and your husband.
> Andrew
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Cara wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew, a question about your experience with colostrum: did you
>> experience a
>> "healing crisis" (Herxheimer reaction) at first? My husband has been
>> drinking Organic
>> Pastures raw milk and colostrum regularly for maybe a week or two, and
>> yesterday he
>> started experiencing chills, stomach pain/cramps and bowel trouble.
>> Ordinarily I'd assume
>> the product had gone sour without us noticing, but it tasted and
>> smelled fine, and my
>> husband's intuition (surprisingly) told him to drink more, not less of
>> the colostrum. This is
>> in spite of the fact that he was laid up with stomach pain all day and
>> night. I'm just
>> wondering if this reaction is common and how long it lasts.
>>
>> Cara
>>
>>
>> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote:
>>
>>> What I do think is essential is RAW ORGANIC MILK products. These cows
>>> raised on organic alfalfa and in green pastures and are extremely
>>> healthy animals. Their good bacteria count is extremely high and
>>> kills
>>> e-coli, salmonella, etc., and has essential probiotics for our
>>> intestines and immune system.
>>> Weston Price and Sally Fallon, Mercola all think raw milk, butter,
>>> cheese, is essential.
>>>
>>> http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html
>>> http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/29/pasteurized_milk.htm
>>>
>>> Here are health benefits.
>>> http://www.organicpastures.com/healthbenefits/
>>> Yes, this is my brother's dairy and yes I am biased.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> As far as intolerance, yes, maybe milk isn't for everyone.
>
> You're right that bad bacteria being introduced to someone with a  
> compromised immunity can be not a good thing. That is why maintaining a  
> healthy gut is so important with regular influxes of raw organic and  
> cultured products.
>
> Pasteurization kills the good bacteria.
>
> What usually is the problem is that 99.99 % of the public has never had  
> raw organic milk and they are reacting to milk without Lactase and  
> Lactose being balanced. Pasteurization and processing kills the  
> essential parts of milk and that is why lactose intolerance and allergy  
> are such an issue.
>
> It also has a lot to do with the health of the cow, the cow's  
> environment and the good vs. bad bacteria count. Organic Pastures Dairy  
> has extremely high good bacteria counts. The cows are very healthy. You  
> drop harmful e-coli or whatever else into the milk, the milk kills off  
> the bad stuff.
>
> Please don't take my word for it. Read the research. A quick google  
> will surface much or go to Organicpastures.com and read there.
> There is a doctor in Fresno, CA that swears that Raw Organic Milk has  
> cured patients of Asthma. Raw Organic Butter is curing Autism.
> Andrew
>
> On Nov 22, 2005, at 6:48 AM, Ian Kemp wrote:
>
> > The tricky question here is that some people do have an allergy to  
> > milk and
> > dairy products themselves - not just the possible "contaminants" in  
> > them.
> > Of course lots of nutrition books suggest that dairy products are a big
> > no-no altogether, though I think this is often exaggerated. However,  
> > for
> > some people, allergy or intolerance testing does reveal an actual
> > sensitivity to milk. Sometimes this is animal-specific. Sue had  
> > problems
> > with cow's milk, tried goat's milk as recommended by nutritionists and  
> > felt
> > worse. Later allergy testing showed that she specifically had low  
> > tolerance
> > to goat's milk.
> >
> >
> >
> > For ES people, who in general seem to have compromised immune systems,
> > organic milk is likely to be better for you (and, as Cara says, taste
> > better) than "commercial" milk, as long as you don't have a dairy
> > intolerance. However, forgive me for being unconvinced that raw milk is
> > better then pasteurized. Pasteurization (heat treatment) was  
> > developed long
> > before modern chemicals were used on farms (and so was used on organic  
> > milk)
> > and gave health benefits by reducing the total bacterial load. One can
> > always top up good bacteria from other food sources, but if one  
> > accidentally
> > introduces bad bacteria into the gut of someone with a weakened immune
> > system, couldn't that be very damaging? I guess modern bottling and
> > transport methods are probably more sterile than old-fashioned churns,  
> > but
> > it seems to me there are arguments on both sides. Sometimes there  
> > seems to
> > be an assumption that "natural = good" and "modern/processed = bad",  
> > but
> > it's not always as simple as that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Andrew McAfee
> > Sent: 22 November 2005 03:05
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Question for Andrew re colostrum
> >
> >
> >
> > I am glad that you are drinking Organic Pastures. The quality is
> > extremely high. I have never had that severe of a problem. In past I
> > have had intestinal action if I haven't been drinking it for a while.
> > My hunch is that he is doing deep healing and is rebooting his
> > digestive system. Even if the colostrum is old smelling it is still
> > good. I use it and raw organic milk to culture and have it sitting out
> > on the counter for days. Delicious!
> > I encourage you to call my brother Mark at Organic Pastures and talk
> > with him if you want more feedback or to talk with many hundreds of
> > others that drink his milk.
> > Do what feels right to you and your husband.
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Cara wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Andrew, a question about your experience with colostrum: did you
> >> experience a
> >> "healing crisis" (Herxheimer reaction) at first? My husband has been
> >> drinking Organic
> >> Pastures raw milk and colostrum regularly for maybe a week or two, and
> >> yesterday he
> >> started experiencing chills, stomach pain/cramps and bowel trouble.
> >> Ordinarily I'd assume
> >> the product had gone sour without us noticing, but it tasted and
> >> smelled fine, and my
> >> husband's intuition (surprisingly) told him to drink more, not less of
> >> the colostrum. This is
> >> in spite of the fact that he was laid up with stomach pain all day and
> >> night. I'm just
> >> wondering if this reaction is common and how long it lasts.
> >>
> >> Cara
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What I do think is essential is RAW ORGANIC MILK products. These cows
> >>> raised on organic alfalfa and in green pastures and are extremely
> >>> healthy animals. Their good bacteria count is extremely high and  
> >>> kills
> >>> e-coli, salmonella, etc., and has essential probiotics for our
> >>> intestines and immune system.
> >>> Weston Price and Sally Fallon, Mercola all think raw milk, butter,
> >>> cheese, is essential.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html
> >>> http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/29/pasteurized_milk.htm
> >>>
> >>> Here are health benefits.
> >>> http://www.organicpastures.com/healthbenefits/
> >>> Yes, this is my brother's dairy and yes I am biased.
> >>>
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