off topic new group/electrosensitivity

Hi all,

There is a new group at yahoo which I find very informative on Electro sensitivity problems.

Just wanted to inform you.
Best regards.
It is `esens` at yahoogroups.
Nil



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> There is a new group at yahoo which I find very informative on
> Electro sensitivity problems.
> It is `esens` at yahoogroups.

Presumably that message was sent somewhere else other
than here? :-)

But yes, that's a good idea -- if anyone here is a member of a
mailing list where you think there are several people who are
electrically sensitive, you might want to post a short message
informing them that "eSens" exists. Originally I posted messages on
[hidden email], [hidden email],
[hidden email], and also sent emails to the www.feb.se and Roy
Beaver's of the EMF-L list. But there are probably other places I
didn't think of.

Marc

Yes,
I sent it to CFSfmexperimental. I might not be active for couple of months as I will be leaving the city. Will be back. I wish you the best.

Nil
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
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Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:43 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: off topic new group/electrosensitivity


> There is a new group at yahoo which I find very informative on
> Electro sensitivity problems.
> It is `esens` at yahoogroups.

Presumably that message was sent somewhere else other
than here? :-)

But yes, that's a good idea -- if anyone here is a member of a
mailing list where you think there are several people who are
electrically sensitive, you might want to post a short message
informing them that "eSens" exists. Originally I posted messages on
[hidden email], [hidden email],
[hidden email], and also sent emails to the www.feb.se and Roy
Beaver's of the EMF-L list. But there are probably other places I
didn't think of.

Marc


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Marc
I think it might be worth considering periodically re-posting advertisements in
all those locations, along with any others suggested by eSens group members,
since new people periodically join these lists.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 8:13 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: off topic new group/electrosensitivity

> There is a new group at yahoo which I find very informative on
> Electro sensitivity problems.
> It is `esens` at yahoogroups.

Presumably that message was sent somewhere else other
than here? :-)

But yes, that's a good idea -- if anyone here is a member of a
mailing list where you think there are several people who are
electrically sensitive, you might want to post a short message
informing them that "eSens" exists. Originally I posted messages on
[hidden email], [hidden email],
[hidden email], and also sent emails to the www.feb.se and Roy
Beaver's of the EMF-L list. But there are probably other places I
didn't think of.

Marc





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Marc, regarding advertising, I can only think of Lucinda Grant. I don't know
much about her, I had just exchanged several letters years ago, but
enthusiasm and
dedication is something that always turns me on. At least, she has been in
a correspondence with numerous people...

If we had more critically thinking and dedicated enthusiastic people here
(like we already are :-)), we could have made important practical
conclusions and even theoretical hypothesis regarding the ES phenomenon!

We already concluded that any weakness is a strong predisposition for ES.
Might be too early to generalize, but under weakness we could think of
undernourishment, poisoning, etc. Also, I am myself reddish a bit, and I
know that pale people are more inclined to ES, the same way they are
sensitive to Sun! Dr. Klitzing who was by that time ridiculed by scientific
community has first shown that EEG (brain wave) patterns change in presence
of a mobile phone, but his experiments had more success when he used sick
people from the clinic!
Also, I am sometimes insecure whether my CFS symptoms came from ES, or that
weakness caused by CFS lead to ES...

One question bothers me: how many ES people are there in general population?
Sometimes I estimate the number of about 10%, due to the fact that about 10%
of mobile phone heavy users, I know personally, report obvious significant
problems during mobile phone usage. All them should have been ES to some
extent, I guess. But let it be just 1% of ES people in general, and say just
1% of them who are aware of their sensitivity (unfortunately many people are
hopelessly worsening their health by medication not knowing what really
happens to them), and 1% of that literate and curious enough to try to find
answers, that's still 1 ppm = thousands and thousands!!! *Where are they!?*
I hope some of them would join us one sooner or later...

Drasko

PS I even gave adds some time ago in local newspapers, trying to find other
ES people, withouth any success! So I am very happy I have this esens
company!

>Also, I am myself reddish a bit, and I
>know that pale people are more inclined to ES, the same way they are
>sensitive to Sun!

On this -- I have been pale for my entire life. However, in the last few
years I've changed all my habits from unhealthy ones to healthy ones. And
I've noticed that my skin is now naturally more tan than it used to be,
regardless if it's winter or summer. So to me, being pale seems to
correlate with being unhealthy.

>One question bothers me: how many ES people are there in general population?

There seems to be a lot. When I mention that I have this problem to
people, a surprising number of people say that they also have such
problems. Some say that they can't use a cellphone for long, some say that
they have problems watching TV or using the computer for longer than 30
minutes, and some say they have problems with the fluorescent lighting in
stores. However, their solution seems to be just to avoid these things,
and otherwise not think about it.

The difference for me is that I had a job and hobbies which required that I
am able to tolerate a high EMF environment for hours at a time. And I
didn't want to just stop doing these things. Instead, I found ways where I
could tolerate these things and still be healthy. Many people I've run
across who consider themselves to be "normal" could not possibly spend as
much time in front of a computer as I do. So to me, they are ES as well.

Marc

Hello Drasko,

my estimation is also round the 10 % of the people.
The problem is, that many do not realise, that they have ES.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/
http://www.hese-project.org
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 21:53
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: off topic new group/electrosensitivity


> Marc, regarding advertising, I can only think of Lucinda Grant. I don't
know
> much about her, I had just exchanged several letters years ago, but
> enthusiasm and
> dedication is something that always turns me on. At least, she has been
in scientific
> community has first shown that EEG (brain wave) patterns change in
presence
> of a mobile phone, but his experiments had more success when he used sick
> people from the clinic!
> Also, I am sometimes insecure whether my CFS symptoms came from ES, or
that
> weakness caused by CFS lead to ES...
>
> One question bothers me: how many ES people are there in general
population?
> Sometimes I estimate the number of about 10%, due to the fact that about
10%
> of mobile phone heavy users, I know personally, report obvious significant
> problems during mobile phone usage. All them should have been ES to some
> extent, I guess. But let it be just 1% of ES people in general, and say
just
> 1% of them who are aware of their sensitivity (unfortunately many people
are
> hopelessly worsening their health by medication not knowing what really
> happens to them), and 1% of that literate and curious enough to try to
find
> answers, that's still 1 ppm = thousands and thousands!!! *Where are
they!?*
> I hope some of them would join us one sooner or later...
>
> Drasko
>
> PS I even gave adds some time ago in local newspapers, trying to find
other

Also, I am myself reddish a bit, and I
know that pale people are more inclined to ES, the same way they are
sensitive to Sun!

I have pale skin as well, which was subjected to a lot of sun damage when I was
younger. I also experience reddening of the skin as a result of my
sensitivity, and this is the first thing I noticed some years ago. I am very
interested to know how many people with ES, who are reading this, either have
darker skin or know ES sufferers with darker skin. In fact, I wish we all had
the time to collectively develop a questionnaire using this list and the yahoo
folders, which could then be progressively distributed to all ES people to
contribute to a database and research on electrical sensitivity - as funding
and time allowed. Analysis of responses to questions relating to demographic
characteristics, what evokes reactions in people, physiology, mercury poisoning
etc. would probably yield a lot of interesting answers that could be published
in the form of a paper and peer reviewed, contributing to recognition of this
condition. It might even show that there are several different forms of ES
that have not been identified due to lack of research - this is my suspicion.
As it is, we all only see a snapshot of each others conditions and as such,
could potentially be making wrong conclusions since we don't see the full
picture. Any volunteers?:)
Lachlan

You are probably right, Marc - that many people are ES but they either don't
care about it much, or don't know...

The health of the general population is worsening from year to year, and
that correlates with the consumption of electricity! Naturally, the more
electricity consumed = richer community = more "blessings" of modern
civilization, so it doesn't have to do with electricity directly... But -
what if it does?!

Particularly, I find strong mobile phone masts a problem equal to say, power
installation radiation of 0.5 mG... And both of them would have ruined me
say, for 10 hours the same as computer does for 30 minutes... So I believe
that many apparently independent health problems of the people who do feel
computers and mobile phones should have to do with their exposure to mobile
phone antennae and installation radiation which are impossible to most of
the people to become aware of (like people are aware of a computer
influence)...

Drasko