notebooks

Hi Marc, Charles, and everybody on the list!
I have been concerned with various other issues, so it's been about
a
year since I was not reading Esens mail on regular basis... Somehow
I
feel a kind of guilt for not being regular, as I appreciate the
existance of this list, and the efforts of you people
contributing...

As I am still occupied with other matters, I am not spending much
time
taking care of my sensitivity so I carelessly bought a new HP
notebook, which is horrible compared to my previous which was of
Asus
brand... May I ask you for some advice what to exchange this
notebook
for? Any particularly good experiances?

This HP is (as someone mentioned once over the list) really
strangely
quiet (no noise), but it burns! Interestingly, the radiation meter
that has a speaker shows almost no radiation, but an inconstant
sound,
a kind of noise, is monitored over the speaker... I haven't heard
such
a sound from any device. Also, on Charles' pagina109 there are
numerous sounds but all of them are a kind of regular while this HP
notebook sound is like a broken electromotor...

Drasko

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writes:

kind of noise, is monitored over the speaker... I haven't heard
such
a sound from any device. Also, on Charles' pagina109 there are
numerous sounds but all of them are a kind of regular while this HP
notebook sound is like a broken electromotor.no





Paul uk replies -
Sure its not operating on wifi mode ? Also I have just borrowed my brothers
15inch Dell LCD Screen that has a direct power cable straight into the unit
and whilst I feel a greater elec feild sensation from approx 1m away I rekon
that it is better than the 17inch Dell LCD Screen that I normally attach to
my laptop(which is just over 2m away from me) The 17 inch LCD has a remote
earthed powerpack, but gives me a very mad sensation which leads quickly to
short term memory problems and hours of nausea and a vacant feeling !

Any thought why are welcome ?

Paul uk






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I found my HP (Turion equipped) laptop to be more of
a microwave oven than anything else. It burnt me to
a crisp. If you must use a notebook, consider one
of the ultra portables. They use the intel U7500 ultra
low voltage processor, and have smaller screens which
all adds up to less power consumption. HP and Sony
make them. If you get one let us know how it works
out.
Eli

> Any particularly good experiences?

My wife's IBM Thinkpad X41 seems to be okay, although I
do use devices with it when I use it (and have the
Quantum Byte software installed on it). Of course
IBM is now Lenovo, so I don't know what's happened
to the quality since then.

Sony also makes smaller laptops with LED backlights,
which might be interesting to experiment with.

Marc

> Sure its not operating on wifi mode ?

Oh, that's a good point -- on my wife's IBM Thinkpad,
I can turn off the radio for wi-fi access, which
can make it more pleasant to use. Although most
hotels these days are only offering wireless
Internet access, so I use the radio in those
situations.

Marc

Hi,
I'm having good luck with an apple ibook that has been shielded with mu metal by the
company safelevel.com. I have no financial interest in this company.

--- In [hidden email], "cvijovic" <pecina@...> wrote:

> I'm having good luck with an apple ibook that has been shielded with mu
> metal by the company safelevel.com.

Is SafeLevel.com still in business? Their website doesn't look like
it's changed since 2002... it still talks as if LCD Monitors are
a new technology, and offers shielding services for CRT monitors,
and while the prices for LCD monitors may have been reasonable 5
years ago, they are way too high for today.

Marc

Hi, Drasko,
   
I went thru 2 bad (for me) computers last fall. I sent back a Toshiba and lost about $150 on that deal, after I could not tolerate it. (I did not even tolerate it in the box prior to being plugged in! I could not tell that in the store, as I was reacting to everything there so badly.) Found out that I was reacting to the wireless cards it had in it, but the company would not warranty the computer if I removed them.  
   
Then I ordered a Dell Inspiron 1505, core-duo. I asked that they remove the wi-fi cards, but they would not send it without a broadband card. Whenit came, I couldn't tolerate it either. But I worked with the Dell techies and I was pleasantly surprised that they did not think me a complete and utter nutcase (like the Toshiba techs did). They even had a couple of techs who were fairly knowledgeable with my ES problems and what could be causing them. I had one tech from India who talked me thru removing the broadband card, and resetting all the settings in the control panel, etc, that would have anything to do with wireless operation. He did tell me, also, to completely remove the battery when I had the machine plugged in, as the battery radiates energy while it is recharging. We determined that I also needed to walk away from the machine while it is scanning files, downloading, and uploading, as these increase magnetic fields around the laptop. I actually react to
this even hours later, so only do these functions when I am going off the computer for the day.
   
I found out here from someone (forget who, sorry!) that since a laptop doesn't have a grounding plug, you need to experiment with putting the plug in and see which direction feels best--that advice helped immensely. Seems I was usually putting the plug in upside down and I react to that. Also, another Dell tech mentioned to make sure that I had the DSL modem in a different outlet from the computer and that there was a good space between them,and that helped alot. (Also mentioned not to have my phone plugged into either outlet.) These fixes took care of my brain, heart, and blood pressure problems I had using the computer. I still had burning skin, but that seemed to discipate over time. I now only get burning, usually, if I stick around during a scan or download. I DO still react when the computer moves back and forth between processors (the duo part of "core-duo"). However, Iwork at not making my laptop work so hard that it does that. :) I only do one thing
at a time and they are usually very simple tasks like reading or writing email.  
   
I also found that the burning got significantly better after I experimented with a remote keyboard and an optical mouse. I reacted horribly to the optical mouse, re burning. But afterwards, I hardly reacted at all to the computer, when I disconnected the mouse and returned it to Radio Shack. Don't know exactly what happened there, but it also temporarily helped with my reactions to cell towers. I also found (on suggestion of Snoshoe, here) that calcium AEP helps me with both reaction to cell towers and skin burning and other problems with the computer. (Doesn't go away completely, but the symptoms are much less severe.)  
   
If you do decide to buy a Dell, know that you have a 30-day guaranteed return policy if you buy it thru www.qvc.com or their tv channel. You will only lose the shipping back to QVC if you need to return it. (They will even refund the shipping to you.)
   
I can't guarantee what works for me will work for you, unfortunately. But I was without a computer for 6 months trying to figure out what to do, soI know what you are going thru.
   
Good luck,
Diane

cvijovic <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Marc, Charles, and everybody on the list!
I have been concerned with various other issues, so it's been about
a
year since I was not reading Esens mail on regular basis... Somehow
I
feel a kind of guilt for not being regular, as I appreciate the
existance of this list, and the efforts of you people
contributing...

As I am still occupied with other matters, I am not spending much
time
taking care of my sensitivity so I carelessly bought a new HP
notebook, which is horrible compared to my previous which was of
Asus
brand... May I ask you for some advice what to exchange this
notebook
for? Any particularly good experiances?

This HP is (as someone mentioned once over the list) really
strangely
quiet (no noise), but it burns! Interestingly, the radiation meter
that has a speaker shows almost no radiation, but an inconstant
sound,
a kind of noise, is monitored over the speaker... I haven't heard
such
a sound from any device. Also, on Charles' pagina109 there are
numerous sounds but all of them are a kind of regular while this HP
notebook sound is like a broken electromotor...

Drasko



         

       
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In a message dated 8/22/2007 6:37:32 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:


> Sure its not operating on wifi mode ?

Oh, that's a good point -- on my wife's IBM Thinkpad,
I can turn off the radio for wi-fi access, which
can make it more pleasant to use. Although most
hotels these days are only offering wireless
Internet access, so I use the radio in those
situations.

Marc




Remind me to never stay in a Hotel again !
p uk






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Thanking for all the feedbacks, let me also say that this HP notebook
has a hardware button to disable wireless, an unusual sollution, which
enables me to switch the wireless off...

Also, I have to say that after trying to put the brightness to
minimum, it seems to have better feeling, although the buzzing on the
meter speaker doesn't diminish... It matches the theory the backlights
are the issue at the notebooks..

Drasko

Hi again, Drasko,

So did my Toshiba (have disable buttons for the wireless), but I was told by both Dell techs and the out-sourced tech I was sent to by Toshiba that the button to disable the wireless doesn't necessarily work, as frequencies can come off of the card and bounce around the laptop case anyway. And that was my experience, as I could feel it either way, disabled or enabled didn't matter. It was just a bit better disabled. But different people can react to different things. Maybe backlights bother you more.

Diane
cvijovic <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanking for all the feedbacks, let me also say that this HP notebook
has a hardware button to disable wireless, an unusual sollution, which
enables me to switch the wireless off...

Also, I have to say that after trying to put the brightness to
minimum, it seems to have better feeling, although the buzzing on the
meter speaker doesn't diminish... It matches the theory the backlights
are the issue at the notebooks..

Drasko






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Sorry, I see I didn't write this correctly.... Frequencies from the computer itself can bounce around the computer case and bounce off the wi-fi cards, is what I think the computer techs meant.

Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi again, Drasko,

So did my Toshiba (have disable buttons for the wireless), but I was told by both Dell techs and the out-sourced tech I was sent to by Toshiba that the button to disable the wireless doesn't necessarily work, as frequencies can come off of the card and bounce around the laptop case anyway. And that was my experience, as I could feel it either way, disabled or enabled didn't matter. It was just a bit better disabled. But different people can react to different things. Maybe backlights bother you more.

Diane
cvijovic <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanking for all the feedbacks, let me also say that this HP notebook
has a hardware button to disable wireless, an unusual sollution, which
enables me to switch the wireless off...

Also, I have to say that after trying to put the brightness to
minimum, it seems to have better feeling, although the buzzing on the
meter speaker doesn't diminish... It matches the theory the backlights
are the issue at the notebooks..

Drasko

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>
> This HP is (as someone mentioned once over the list) really
> strangely
> quiet (no noise), but it burns!

Been really disapointed with HP and
their track record for producing RF
generators. First I got burned by their
L2000 laptop, then tried a 15" LCD monitor
which was an EMF dynamo, now I just found
out that their C6180 all in one photosmart
printer produces RF throughout the entire
house (including the duct work into my
room which is 30 feet from the printer).

I'm in the market for an ultra portable laptop
but will most likely stay clear of the
HP product (2710p).
Eli

 
>
> This HP is (as someone mentioned once over the list) really
> strangely
> quiet (no noise), but it burns!

May I ask what model HP you bought?

Eli

Reminds me that my Canon inkjet printer puts out a strong 60Hz electric
field, even
when off. The only way to know which way to plug it in is to measure the
field.

Bill



On 8/28/07, jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

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I found something that may be helpful to some of you, at least who get
the electric current running through your heads.

About 6 weeks ago I was talking with a neighbor and saying how this
problem had gotten worse for me with some military tests going on in
the area.

She is "not" esens, but has had heart problems, and also had been doing
chelation therapy, as many of us in this locale have been in recent
months.

She said the same nights I was being bothered she was wakened with her
heart bothering her, but also vibrating through her whole body.

Somehow thru talking we got the idea that when this is occuring it
would be the best time to take the chelators, I'm using EDTA right now.

Since mercury (what I think started this particular problem for me from
poor dental work) it is busy ionizing from the cells, it would be
easier for the chelators to grab it, as more may be going into the
blood stream at that time.

So, when it's going strong I take it, and sometimes half a dozen times
a day, and you know what! It really helps, it seems to make the buzzing
stop quickly, and my thinking ability is improving quite a bit, math
skills I've had trouble with for some time are coming back, and
thoughts are quicker, although short term memory is still needing help.

I will say, that like many chelators, the first couple weeks they can
be quite laxative while whatever gets cleaned out of your gut, and I
was past that, or couldn't take the amounts I was.

Then I take extra calcium later on in the day, and the AEP type
particularly with choline to hopefully help in any repairs needed in
the myelin sheath or other areas.

Anyway, this is the best improvement I've seen in a long time, that
seems to bring relief. I expect it will be a while before I know if it
will fix it, as I just had another mercury filling our recently.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
   
> I also found that the burning got significantly better after I
experimented with a remote keyboard and an optical mouse. I reacted
horribly to the optical mouse, re burning. But afterwards, I hardly
reacted at all to the computer, when I disconnected the mouse and
returned it to Radio Shack. Don't know exactly what happened there,
but it also temporarily helped with my reactions to cell towers. I
also found (on suggestion of Snoshoe, here) that calcium AEP helps me
with both reaction to cell towers and skin burning and other problems
with the computer. (Doesn't go away completely, but the symptoms are
much less severe.)  
>    

I think the book Amalgam Illness by Andrew Cutler advises against EDTA for mercury. They say it is good for lead but not for mercury. Could be your improvements are from something other than mercury being removed. I also did EDTA orally before doing other chelators thinking that it would remove mercury and it made me feel pretty good. It was definitely removing something that was clogging my arteries.


----- Original Message -----
From: snoshoe_2
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:29 PM
Subject: [eSens] Ca-AEP Re: notebooks


I found something that may be helpful to some of you, at least who get
the electric current running through your heads.

About 6 weeks ago I was talking with a neighbor and saying how this
problem had gotten worse for me with some military tests going on in
the area.

She is "not" esens, but has had heart problems, and also had been doing
chelation therapy, as many of us in this locale have been in recent
months.

She said the same nights I was being bothered she was wakened with her
heart bothering her, but also vibrating through her whole body.

Somehow thru talking we got the idea that when this is occuring it
would be the best time to take the chelators, I'm using EDTA right now.

Since mercury (what I think started this particular problem for me from
poor dental work) it is busy ionizing from the cells, it would be
easier for the chelators to grab it, as more may be going into the
blood stream at that time.

So, when it's going strong I take it, and sometimes half a dozen times
a day, and you know what! It really helps, it seems to make the buzzing
stop quickly, and my thinking ability is improving quite a bit, math
skills I've had trouble with for some time are coming back, and
thoughts are quicker, although short term memory is still needing help.

I will say, that like many chelators, the first couple weeks they can
be quite laxative while whatever gets cleaned out of your gut, and I
was past that, or couldn't take the amounts I was.

Then I take extra calcium later on in the day, and the AEP type
particularly with choline to hopefully help in any repairs needed in
the myelin sheath or other areas.

Anyway, this is the best improvement I've seen in a long time, that
seems to bring relief. I expect it will be a while before I know if it
will fix it, as I just had another mercury filling our recently.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

> I also found that the burning got significantly better after I
experimented with a remote keyboard and an optical mouse. I reacted
horribly to the optical mouse, re burning. But afterwards, I hardly
reacted at all to the computer, when I disconnected the mouse and
returned it to Radio Shack. Don't know exactly what happened there,
but it also temporarily helped with my reactions to cell towers. I
also found (on suggestion of Snoshoe, here) that calcium AEP helps me
with both reaction to cell towers and skin burning and other problems
with the computer. (Doesn't go away completely, but the symptoms are
much less severe.)
>






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Hi Snoshoe:

Thanks for sharing those observations about chelators. Have you taken any
other chelators and noticed the same improvement? I'm going to be taking
DMPS shortly and hope it has the same effect. Also, can you tell us more
about how you are taking the chelator. In small doses? How many hours
apart? This appears to take a big difference according to what I've read.

Plus, can you tell us what brand of Calcium and where you get it.

Thanks so much,

Donna

Hi DD -and all,

Glad I got into the mail here today, had to send a letter, or I might
not have seen this for some time.

I have a migraine today, someone fed me food ingredients I shouldn't
have had yesterday, so I'll try and come back and be more specific on
what I'm doing and tried soon.

Meanwhile here's them:

Calcium-AEP - Vitamin Research Products www.vrp.com 1-800-877-2447

and

EDTA - Wonderlabs formula 976. www.wonderlabs.com


~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "DD" <dogsforus2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Snoshoe:
>
> Thanks for sharing those observations about chelators. Have you
taken any
> other chelators and noticed the same improvement? I'm going to be
taking
> DMPS shortly and hope it has the same effect. Also, can you tell
us more
> about how you are taking the chelator. In small doses? How many
hours
> apart? This appears to take a big difference according to what
I've read.
>
> Plus, can you tell us what brand of Calcium and where you get it.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Donna
>

Sorry I took so long to get back in here.

No, I can't say I noticed the same good effects to any significant
amount taking any/all the other natural chelators - amino acids and
herbs like cilantro.

I do find something beneficial I can't pinpoint taking methionine,
I'm not sure what it's doing, but my body seems to crave it.

The EDTA, I was taking that every time my head started feeling like
it had that electrical buzz going thru, from wireless. That could be
2 hours apart, 6 hours, or just whenever it would start again.

That was NOT however the first month taking it, which I did half the
suggested dose by the directions, as it can be very laxative at the
start as I mentioned.

Also I've read if you have kidney troubles, you wouldn't want to use
EDTA.

It does seem to be helping, I can't say for certain that the somewhat
lessened current the goes thru my head is from that or, if it has
actually lessened in my area, which I doubt, but can't measure it to
be sure.

I do seem to be somewhat less affected when I go into town, although
I still can get stupefied, disoriented, etc. at any time, it seems to
happen less often.

Not sure if I mentioned in the past, I inadvertantly discovered
taking calcium water with me in the car to drink in town also seems
to help settle my head down.

That was from mixing up my own electrolyte drinks to take with, and
cut costs, and started throwing some Ca gluconate in too. It mixes
in quite well, or there's a brand something similar "Calm" that comes
with magnesium, but also calcium in it, that is in little instant mix
packets, I've bought at the health store, the couple times I've
forgotten to bring my own drink.

I think the French are onto something with their carbonated mineral
water there, lol. Calcium and CO2, which helps relieve some of the
pressure build up in the head it seems. Just check the fluoride level
of any you buy, some like Perrier and Apollonis? are quite high there.

Anyway, maybe taking a bottle of that with you in the car round town,
and a couple swigs before and after you enter a store will give some
relief.

I found a science article quite some time ago, and I bet I never
posted, but it showed the conclusion I'd come to with the calcium,
and EDTA, that the microwaves, etc. ionize the calcium out of the
brain cell membranes.

I expect that is also affecting the metals in the head, to come
loose, and why the EDTA is beneficial in "grabbing" it at that time,
and the calcium water, because it is giving your body something to
use for replacement, but also an alternative for the incoming waves
besides just you. :)

Last, I didn't keep the link, but if you do a web search for "comet
assay" look for brain cells, there is a picture that shows exactly
what we have been teaching the past couple years, that all radiation
is ionizing, but just at different rates.- The picture includes a
brain cell under x-ray exposure, and one under microwave exposure but
under longer length of time. The results are the same.

I think I saved the photo, perhaps I can get that loaded in here in
the next few days or so.

~ Snoshoe

>
> --- In [hidden email], "DD" <dogsforus2@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Snoshoe:
> >
> > Thanks for sharing those observations about chelators. Have you
> taken any
> > other chelators and noticed the same improvement? I'm going to
be
> taking
> > DMPS shortly and hope it has the same effect. Also, can you
tell
> us more
> > about how you are taking the chelator. In small doses? How
many
> hours
> > apart? This appears to take a big difference according to what
> I've read.
> >