no dirty electricity on the 3 earth wire in UK??

Dear Angels

Someone in UK suggests me to use grounding sheets, canopies etc to try gounding sheet & Bipolar ioniser; I already tried grounding bed sheet ( which my body was directly contacted with) & grounding mat with the pc, I wasn't sure of any effect good or bad but my biontology readings last yr showed my readings were all terrible & serious spin inversion; at that time I had been using the grounding things for at a few months, so I gathered grounding didn't help me

What are your opinions regarding grounding is dangerous; as I don't understand electricity at all; please keep take into account that in UK; the mains supply has 3 wires, one is earth wire; so somehow it must be different to US & Europe. I am very confused of the whole matter, most of the sites I read seems to be only talking about 2 wires system.

I quote what he told me here:

"Hello Alice, a good friend of mine, and electronics expert in the US had this to say when I put the same concern to him: " There is no such thing as dirty electricity - try washing it!" That may seem patronising to those who suffer from E(H)S, but in a sense he is correct. As previously mentioned there are problems sometimes with Harmonics/Noise that can travel along the 'live' wire. But this does not affect the Earth Wire. This is why Laptops that have no earth wire in their power cord have a Ferrite Bead fitted to the Lead, to stop this 'noise' affecting the laptop. So it is easy for people who may have this concern to fit a Ferrite Bead to the Ground Lead for peace of mind, though it is not necessary. Also their are 2 web sites in the UK selling unproven grounding sheets that also recommend that they are used UNDERNEATH a normal bed sheet. This is BAD!!! Very bad. The ground sheet will only serve to act as an antennae and as the body itself is not grounded because it has no direct contact with the ground sheet, then the body will be subjected to much more radiation with this configuration. As a result people WILL feel worse as a result. This is really bad advice when true earthing has so many proven benefits. Hope this helps in some way. You could try a Bipolar ioniser to help make the indoor air electrically neutral?"

Bipolar ioniser
http://www.equilibrauk.com/bipolar-ionizers-best-ionisers-in-the-world/

What are your opinion of the ioniser?

As I have 4G phone mast less than 300yds away from me & I have no shielding of any form; I am hoping to find/ save money to move; so have to be very carefuly about wasting money on useless things.

Your advices are much appreciated.

alice

With all due respect to your
friend, there IS indeed dirty electricity. Yes, this is sometimes
called: harmonics, and noise. Talk to an Electrician, they call it one thing,
talk to an Engineer, they call it another thing, talk to a Scientist, they call
another name. Magda Haavas calls it “Dirty Electricity”. Samuel Milham, MD, who
wrote the book: “Dirty Electricity Electrification and the Diseases of
Civilization” calls it “dirty Electricity”.

Its considered “dirty” because it’s
not 60 Hz or 50 Hz.

 

And yes, this does effect the so
called "earth wire". For the simple fact that in the US, and probably
abroad,

the utility companies USE the
earth as ground. This means everything gets contaminated.

 

In principle, this guy is
correct. In actual application, he is IN correct and expecting a textbook to
match reality.

 

All it takes is for someone to
measure the ground, the wiring, including the "neutral" to show
"his" information is faulty, to put it nicely.

 

As for using a grounding sheet,
most of these are connected to the mains (electrical outlet), and ALL of the
nasty frequencies/harmonics/dirty electricity/ ect , what ever people want to
call i- that are riding on the wiring,  are then "connected" to the body, via
the bed grounding system. BAD idea.



I have sent you an attachment for a safer bed grounding system- that does not plug
in. This is used by my  Healer friend,-
who lives in Ireland- who shared this method with me.

 

I have used this system for both
myself and my daughter with great success.

NOTE: we did have all electricity
off in our bedroom, and surrounding room and the room underneath us.

 

In the US, we also have 3 wires,
although older houses can have only two wires.

Your electrical system is 50 Hz,
ours is 60 Hz.

 

Blessings,

Lizzie

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Someone in UK suggests me to use grounding sheets, canopies etc to try gounding sheet & Bipolar ioniser; I already tried grounding bed sheet ( which my body was directly contacted with) & grounding mat with the pc, I wasn't sure of any effect good or bad but my biontology readings last yr showed my readings were all terrible & serious spin inversion; at that time I had been using the grounding things for at a few months, so I gathered grounding didn't help me



What are your opinions regarding grounding is dangerous; as I don't understand electricity at all; please keep take into account that in UK; the mains supply has 3 wires, one is earth wire; so somehow it must be different to US & Europe. I am very confused of the whole matter, most of the sites I read seems to be only talking about 2 wires system.



I quote what he told me here:



"Hello Alice, a good friend of mine, and electronics expert in the US had this to say when I put the same concern to him: " There is no such thing as dirty electricity - try washing it!" That may seem patronising to those who suffer from E(H)S, but in a sense he is correct. As previously mentioned there are problems sometimes with Harmonics/Noise that can travel along the 'live' wire. But this does not affect the Earth Wire. This is why Laptops that have no earth wire in their power cord have a Ferrite Bead fitted to the Lead, to stop this 'noise' affecting the laptop. So it is easy for people who may have this concern to fit a Ferrite Bead to the Ground Lead for peace of mind, though it is not necessary. Also their are 2 web sites in the UK selling unproven grounding sheets that also recommend that they are used UNDERNEATH a normal bed sheet. This is BAD!!! Very bad. The ground sheet will only serve to act as an antennae and as the body itself is not grounded because it has no direct contact with the ground sheet, then the body will be subjected to much more radiation with this configuration. As a result people WILL feel worse as a result. This is really bad advice when true earthing has so many proven benefits. Hope this helps in some way. You could try a Bipolar ioniser to help make the indoor air electrically neutral?"



Bipolar ioniser

http://www.equilibrauk.com/bipolar-ionizers-best-ionisers-in-the-world/



What are your opinion of the ioniser?



As I have 4G phone mast less than 300yds away from me & I have no shielding of any form; I am hoping to find/ save money to move; so have to be very carefuly about wasting money on useless things.



Your advices are much appreciated.



alice





   
     

   
   






       

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Alice

  I am also experiencing some problems and trying to experimnent to see whats helpful. Have learned that like with food that each person is different and what might work for one doesnt always for another.
Are ther any others in the area that have shielding could be in that place to see if helpful...?
I trying putting on gloves(just cotton) to use mouse and to type on computer (have a timer set) and wool blanket over me to feet.
The gloves have reduced hand pain from hours/day to ~1/wk(just started this last week). So am trying the wool blanket this week and hat.
Are there places can find to find hats as bus now has wifi (and library...)?
  If use grounding cloth, do you need to have a cover to create a faraday cage (does that work on all EMF or just part range?).

Wish there was an easy to read chart for what to check what for and what meters read those ranges well...
Thank you and Be Well.

Lynn D

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On March 18, muii20 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dear Angels
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> Someone in UK suggests me to use grounding sheets, canopies etc to try gounding sheet & Bipolar ioniser;

Hmmm, some debatable things I see in these suggestions:

- people HAVE reported feeling bad when they make direct contact with grounding
  sheets, because now your body is attracting EMF as it is on the path to ground.

- the outlet ground IS effected by noise, either coming from a noisy ground source,
  or from the other wires in your house.
 
- people HAVE felt worse when using ionizers, which add an unnatural amount of
  charged particles in the air (and some say they add to the "electrosmog").  I
  don't have any experience with the rather expensive ionizer you mention,
  though...

Marc

Greetings to everyone.

I just joined the eSens group.  I'm in Oakville, Ontario, living in a 17 storey highrise apartment building from/in hell!  There are so many radio frequency transmitters in a 500 meter radius that I cannot even count them all.  What's worse, I'm being irradiated by the Bell wifi routers in both apartments beside me.  I am becoming enormously sensitive.  More about that later.

I just wanted to give my $0.02 on the term 'dirty electricity'.  I have been thinking about this for awhile now and, with all due deference to Sim Milham and Magda Havas, I am of the opinion that "dirty electricity" is a misnomer.  I think the 'dirty' part is misleading, because there is no actual 'dirt' and thus using the term has the effect of making it confusing to most people and allows the issue to be more easily dismissed as 'nonsense'. 
Really, I think that it is the WIRING which is polluted--not the electricity.  Even the unwanted harmonics is just as pure as any other electricity. 

Perhaps something like 'conductive contamination' or an 'adulterated energy supply' or even 'electrical noise" could be used instead.  If we want this issue to be taken seriously by others, then we need to find a better name than 'dirty electricity'.


Maybe we can come up with a name here and propose it to Magda Havas and find out how she responds...


  This is the End...      


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'As the years pass, they rob us of one thing after another.' (Horace)


 grounded because it has no direct contact with the ground sheet, then the body will be subjected to much more radiation with this configuration. As a result people WILL feel worse as a result. This is really bad advice when true earthing has so many proven benefits. Hope this helps in some way. You could try a Bipolar ioniser to help make the indoor air electrically neutral?"
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I think the name very apropriate.

About *dirty electricity*, I have it devided into *dirty power*, which are the dirty frequencies in the mains electricity net, and *dirty air*, which are these fdirty frequencies floating in the air, emanating from electrical appliances.

You have to pay for 60Hz or 50Hz, but you get a lot of other frequencies, from 5kHz up to 30MHz.
These frequencies are rightfully regarded as dirt, because they can make you sick.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft


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  Greetings to everyone.

  I just joined the eSens group. I'm in Oakville, Ontario, living in a 17 storey highrise apartment building from/in hell! There are so many radio frequency transmitters in a 500 meter radius that I cannot even count them all. What's worse, I'm being irradiated by the Bell wifi routers in both apartments beside me. I am becoming enormously sensitive. More about that later.

  I just wanted to give my $0.02 on the term 'dirty electricity'. I have been thinking about this for awhile now and, with all due deference to Sim Milham and Magda Havas, I am of the opinion that "dirty electricity" is a misnomer. I think the 'dirty' part is misleading, because there is no actual 'dirt' and thus using the term has the effect of making it confusing to most people and allows the issue to be more easily dismissed as 'nonsense'.
  Really, I think that it is the WIRING which is polluted--not the electricity. Even the unwanted harmonics is just as pure as any other electricity.

  Perhaps something like 'conductive contamination' or an 'adulterated energy supply' or even 'electrical noise" could be used instead. If we want this issue to be taken seriously by others, then we need to find a better name than 'dirty electricity'.


  Maybe we can come up with a name here and propose it to Magda Havas and find out how she responds...


  This is the End...


  --Hud
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  'As the years pass, they rob us of one thing after another.' (Horace)



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  >With all due respect to your
  >friend, there IS indeed dirty electricity. Yes, this is sometimes
  >called: harmonics, and noise. Talk to an Electrician, they call it one thing,
  >talk to an Engineer, they call it another thing, talk to a Scientist, they call
  >another name. Magda Haavas calls it “Dirty Electricity”. Samuel Milham, MD, who
  >wrote the book: “Dirty Electricity Electrification and the Diseases of
  >Civilization” calls it “dirty Electricity”.
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  >Its considered “dirty” because it’s
  >not 60 Hz or 50 Hz.
  >
  >
  >
  >And yes, this does effect the so
  >called "earth wire". For the simple fact that in the US, and probably
  >abroad,
  >
  >the utility companies USE the
  >earth as ground. This means everything gets contaminated.
  >
  >
  >
  >In principle, this guy is
  >correct. In actual application, he is IN correct and expecting a textbook to
  >match reality.
  >
  >
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  >All it takes is for someone to
  >measure the ground, the wiring, including the "neutral" to show
  >"his" information is faulty, to put it nicely.
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  >As for using a grounding sheet,
  >most of these are connected to the mains (electrical outlet), and ALL of the
  >nasty frequencies/harmonics/dirty electricity/ ect , what ever people want to
  >call i- that are riding on the wiring, are then "connected" to the body, via
  >the bed grounding system. BAD idea.
  >
  >
  >
  >I have sent you an attachment for a safer bed grounding system- that does not plug
  >in. This is used by my Healer friend,-
  >who lives in Ireland- who shared this method with me.
  >
  >
  >
  >I have used this system for both
  >myself and my daughter with great success.
  >
  >NOTE: we did have all electricity
  >off in our bedroom, and surrounding room and the room underneath us.
  >
  >
  >
  >In the US, we also have 3 wires,
  >although older houses can have only two wires.
  >
  >Your electrical system is 50 Hz,
  >ours is 60 Hz.
  >
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  >Blessings,
  >
  >Lizzie
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  >Someone in UK suggests me to use grounding sheets, canopies etc to try gounding sheet & Bipolar ioniser; I already tried grounding bed sheet ( which my body was directly contacted with) & grounding mat with the pc, I wasn't sure of any effect good or bad but my biontology readings last yr showed my readings were all terrible & serious spin inversion; at that time I had been using the grounding things for at a few months, so I gathered grounding didn't help me
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  >What are your opinions regarding grounding is dangerous; as I don't understand electricity at all; please keep take into account that in UK; the mains supply has 3 wires, one is earth wire; so somehow it must be different to US & Europe. I am very confused of the whole matter, most of the sites I read seems to be only talking about 2 wires system.
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   grounded because it has no direct contact with the ground sheet, then the body will be subjected to much more radiation with this configuration. As a result people WILL feel worse as a result. This is really bad advice when true earthing has so many proven benefits. Hope this helps in some way. You could try a Bipolar ioniser to help make the indoor air electrically neutral?"
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Hi wonderful people.

Thank you all so much for all your advises

I am so dead tired these days as can sleep only 2 hrs recently because of the 4G plus I am doing a few full days of temporary work.

I don't really believe in electronic experts unless the person works or treat people with emf affected health; I definitely believe folks in this group are much more experienced & knowledgeable than those electronic experts.  Since Johan Boswinkel & Dr Klinghardt also warn about dirty electricity & says grounding has to be done correctly & carefully; and they both research & treat serious illness with emf contamination.

I don't know why many people would says grounding carelessly is safe & beneficial

Regarding the ioniser; I feel it's illogical that an ioniser can countract air emf; given emf fill up space & penetrates ( I guess) very quickly into the body.

May be a device which can automatically reads the microwave signals & then generate inverted signals to neutralize them? Johan Boswinkel claims to neutralize nuclear radiation; may be he knows how to neutralize microwave as well.  One day I would try email him directly.

Regarding shielding garments; are they really safe as microwave can get inside the body & thus get trapped unless the body is completely sealed as with a canopy?

warmest wishes
alice

Hi Lizzie,

I agree with you totally about dirty electricity.  I'm do emf consultation here in Singapore.  We have 3 pin sockets like the UK and I'm always apprehensive about earthing through the sockets as the "earth" is not "true earth" (0 voltage) and can act as a carrier of other frequencies in a complex city building.

Could you also send me an attachment of the setup please? I've always wonder how to earth safely.


Thanks.

Nixon


--- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:

Hi,

I'm sorry I have to disagree. It is not the physical copper wiring that
is bad, but the power and electricity being carried on those wires.
The term "dirty" is the opposite of "clean" which is a term that has
been around a long while.

A Clean alternating current sine wave has no spikes or transient noise
superimposed on that curve.

Stewart

H J R wrote:
> I just wanted to give my $0.02 on the term 'dirty electricity'.  I have been thinking about this for awhile now and, with all due deference to Sim Milham and Magda Havas, I am of the opinion that "dirty electricity" is a misnomer.  I think the 'dirty' part is misleading, because there is no actual 'dirt' and thus using the term has the effect of making it confusing to most people and allows the issue to be more easily dismissed as 'nonsense'.  
> Really, I think that it is the WIRING which is polluted--not the electricity.  Even the unwanted harmonics is just as pure as any other electricity.  
>  

On March 19, H J R <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I just wanted to give my $0.02 on the term 'dirty electricity'.  I have been thinking about this
> for awhile now and, with all due deference to Sim Milham and Magda Havas, I am of the opinion
> that "dirty electricity" is a misnomer. 

Call it what you like, but at least if you call it "dirty electricity", most of us will know what
you are talking about.

Even in the audio/video industry you will find companies like Monster Cable and Furman using
the term "Dirty AC Power" and "Clean Power" when describing their power conditioners.  
So it's not just us that use the word "dirty".

Marc

I'm not saying the copper is bad.  I'm saying it is the conductor which is contaminated.  Yes, we could call it contaminated power, perhaps.  But it's all electricity, whether it is 60 Hz, 120 Hz, 180 Hz, etc.  And there is no 'dirt'.  Dirty is a common term for use in common situations--like the term "soiled".  But it is a misnomer in many of the ways we use it.  Eg. 'a dirty magazine'.  Where's the dirt? 

If this issue is to be taken seriously by the general doubting, skeptical public, then it behooves us to improve the vernacular used.  This problem has affected the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for decades now, as an example.  Problem is, it has been nearly impossible to come to a consensus on a better name.

Habits of language die hard.

 

  This is the End...      


  --Hud
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Well, you're probably right that the term is wrong in the original sense of the word.
Nevertheless language has always been a dead mess.
In addition everyone translates language(-s) his own way anyway, depending on his brainwashing and his individual consciousness.
Churches contaminated the clean meaning of "dirt", hence those dirty magazines.
Now science backed by a technophile herd is the latest predominant religion ( the worst, dumbest and most detrimental one so far, this is the end ), and the modern-day priests happened to call a pure sinusoidal wave clean, in fact in a beautiful wild forest these numb eggheads usually only see disorder and dirt.
As an alternative i've read "poor quality electricity" also.
But this sounds too difficult and dead, "dirty" will be in general more easily remembered and vividly understood, perhaps not properly, but that is just normal in communication among humans ...






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