new and confused

Hi I am 51 and just had an emergency hysterectomy to save me from
bleeding to death in March...since then when I returned to my shop (I
own a wood flooring business) I have been unable to be there for more
than a few hours before my face starts to burn and sting and I get
flushed all over and feel nauseous. I've been to my gyn (put on
estrogen patch) dermatologist (never saw this before, but try this
cream) GP (maybe hormones, maybe derm stuff)

Anyway, I found the website in Sweden that described my symptoms
exactly...especially the part where it goes away when you go home, and
here I am...surfing the web for more info.
I have 5 computers and florescent lights at work...we are a smal;l biz
and I work6-7 days a week.
I see that you are all deep into this issue, and talking about thing I
am not familiar with, but I need all the information I can get.
thanks
d

Hi Diane, welcome to the group.

>Hi I am 51 and just had an emergency hysterectomy to save me from
>bleeding to death in March...since then when I returned to my shop (I
>own a wood flooring business) I have been unable to be there for more
>than a few hours before my face starts to burn and sting and I get
>flushed all over and feel nauseous.

So, did you have no problems in your shop prior to the operation?
(I'm always curious about the things which set off this sensitivity)

>I see that you are all deep into this issue, and talking about thing I
>am not familiar with, but I need all the information I can get.

There seems to be multiple ways to approach this issue, and some ways work
for some but not for others. I've personally had good luck with a
combination of EMF protection devices, dietary changes, and supplements.
Other folks are interested in shielding and avoidance, and I've heard
reports from a few people that the alternative medicine allergy elimination
techniques N.A.E.T or NMT are effective.

Marc

Hello New and Confused,

I'm afraid that you might have more than EMF sensitivity - you may be
'allergic' to the chemicals in your workplace too. (An illness that yet has
no name in medical science, but is often referred to as multiple chemical
sensitivity, or MCS, or chemical intolerance, or CI) Often the two--EMF
sensitivity and MCS--come hand-in-hand. Wood flooring typically has low
levels of formaldehyde that can build up to a toxic level inside the body if
you are compromising your detox system with poor nutrition, diet, air
quality, etc.

Also, if you are going to construction sites often, you will also be exposed
to highly toxic glues and other chemicals as well that will add to your
load. It takes time for the body to rid itself of toxins and so the less
exposure you have to any - natural or manmade - will help. A short list of
everyday evils are: gasoline, natural gas, perfumes/colognes, fragranced
products like air fresheners, fabric softeners, food additives and
preservatives, pesticides, tobacco, alcohol, caffiene, sugar, glues, inks
(including copy/printer ink), household cleaners, bleach, most commercial
detergent, mold, dust, and most new products with plastic or bleached paper
and dyes..., new computer equipment offgases some toxic gases as well....

If you use a cell phone, I would advise you to get a hands-free headset
device which will keep the microwaves as far as possible from your head
while in use. But it would be best if you could also reduce your time on
the phone (less than 10 minutes per call) and keep it located at a place at
least 5 feet away from your body at all times. The further away the better.
You can also look into protective devices - this list can offer some
suggestions in that area.

If you can work from home for a while (2 or 3 months) and create an oasis in
one room where you can spend most of your time until your detox process gets
underway and you can make some noticable progress--a room with good
ventilation and few electronic appliances (the furthest away from any major
appliances in the house, like refrigerators, breaker boxes, washer/dryers,
microwave, electric oven, electric A/C, etc. and outside the house power
station, high tension wires, cell phone antennas) then that would be ideal.

If you smoke or drink, you should quit immediately. If you are living or
working in an environment that allows smoking, you should look into ways to
completely separate smoking areas from your work space. You may also want
to consider eating only organic foods to reduce the amount of pesticide
intake. There are many herbal teas that will help you detox - a good one is
dandelion root tea. Short 1 day fasts with eating only one vegetable or
fruit per day may also help eliminate toxins which often accumulate in your
gut.

Sweating is good and the quickest and most natural way to release toxins.
Bathing with epsom salts or baking soda is a good way to get sweat glands
going and help you release toxins. It may make you feel worse at first
because releasing the toxins makes them spread first through the body in
order to be eliminated. You may get worse before you get better.

You may be also dealing with mineral/nutritional deficiencies, like zinc or
magnesium, and so it may help to find a doctor who can check your red blood
cell levels of each. (a regular blood panel does not usually show
significant deficiencies.) You may want to find a doctor who deals in
environmental illnesses since most doctors are unaware of these issues, and
will only serve to cause you stress and try to medicate you with more
toxins.

Once you find the deficiencies, it's best to deal with them by altering
dietary habits and not spend too much money on supplements that you may not
be absorbing due to poor assimilation/absorbsion in the digestive tract.
There is no quick way to return the body after it has reached this point,
but if you work every moment to repair it, and try to understand what is
happening to your system metabolically , you will see improvement in a few
months. For a full recovery, you may need to make significant life changes
which may even include a career change or a move to a less toxic place. But
we are all different and some are more successful with healing than others.

Hormonal issues are highly intertwined with detox functioning and so this
may also be playing into your sudden symptoms. If you are taking any meds
or using creams, you may want to consider alternative/natural methods that
will help so that your body can repair itself without overburdening it with
the toxic side-effects of the meds.

You will get well again if you take time to eliminate the causes. It will
take time and a lot of energy to find the causes and you will need the
support of a good group who also understand and appreciate the issues you
are facing, not only physically, but mentally and socially and spiritually.
There are many other helpful groups that can help you address both the EMF
sensitivity and chemical toxicity that might be contributing to your
symptoms. I recommend the following two groups:

http://www.immuneweb.org/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCS-CI-Hope2/

They can also help you locate the nearest specialist and also give you
support and provide information with how you can return to better health.
All members have gone through the same confusion and frustrations and so you
will get a lot of understanding and warm support.

A chemically toxic and EMF-free lifestyle is a real challenge in this day
and age, but you can do your best to keep well by avoiding as much exposure
to both as you can. It will get easier after you go through the initial
process of understanding and finding alternatives.

Wishing you wellness, wisdom and peace,

Tokyo
_________________________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: dnaz53
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:20 AM
Subject: [eSens] new and confused


Hi I am 51 and just had an emergency hysterectomy to save me from
bleeding to death in March...since then when I returned to my shop (I
own a wood flooring business) I have been unable to be there for more
than a few hours before my face starts to burn and sting and I get
flushed all over and feel nauseous. I've been to my gyn (put on
estrogen patch) dermatologist (never saw this before, but try this
cream) GP (maybe hormones, maybe derm stuff)

Anyway, I found the website in Sweden that described my symptoms
exactly...especially the part where it goes away when you go home, and
here I am...surfing the web for more info.
I have 5 computers and florescent lights at work...we are a smal;l biz
and I work6-7 days a week.
I see that you are all deep into this issue, and talking about thing I
am not familiar with, but I need all the information I can get.
thanks
d

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

I agree with all of this..

However it should also be mentioned that your immune system has been
under severe stress due to the operation - partly the anaesthetic,
partly the physical stress of being operated on, and partly due to the
nature of your actual operation. I also had a friend who has developed
immune system problems after having had a hysterectomy.

However, everything is fixable, and this excellent advice from Tokyo is
a start to your journey back to good health!

Best wishes

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: norie [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, 1 August 2004 1:39 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] new and confused


Hello New and Confused,

I'm afraid that you might have more than EMF sensitivity - you may be
'allergic' to the chemicals in your workplace too. (An illness that yet
has no name in medical science, but is often referred to as multiple
chemical sensitivity, or MCS, or chemical intolerance, or CI) Often the
two--EMF sensitivity and MCS--come hand-in-hand. Wood flooring
typically has low levels of formaldehyde that can build up to a toxic
level inside the body if you are compromising your detox system with
poor nutrition, diet, air quality, etc.

Also, if you are going to construction sites often, you will also be
exposed to highly toxic glues and other chemicals as well that will add
to your load. It takes time for the body to rid itself of toxins and so
the less exposure you have to any - natural or manmade - will help. A
short list of everyday evils are: gasoline, natural gas,
perfumes/colognes, fragranced products like air fresheners, fabric
softeners, food additives and preservatives, pesticides, tobacco,
alcohol, caffiene, sugar, glues, inks (including copy/printer ink),
household cleaners, bleach, most commercial detergent, mold, dust, and
most new products with plastic or bleached paper and dyes..., new
computer equipment offgases some toxic gases as well....

If you use a cell phone, I would advise you to get a hands-free headset
device which will keep the microwaves as far as possible from your head
while in use. But it would be best if you could also reduce your time
on the phone (less than 10 minutes per call) and keep it located at a
place at least 5 feet away from your body at all times. The further away
the better. You can also look into protective devices - this list can
offer some suggestions in that area.

If you can work from home for a while (2 or 3 months) and create an
oasis in one room where you can spend most of your time until your detox
process gets underway and you can make some noticable progress--a room
with good ventilation and few electronic appliances (the furthest away
from any major appliances in the house, like refrigerators, breaker
boxes, washer/dryers, microwave, electric oven, electric A/C, etc. and
outside the house power station, high tension wires, cell phone
antennas) then that would be ideal.

If you smoke or drink, you should quit immediately. If you are living
or working in an environment that allows smoking, you should look into
ways to completely separate smoking areas from your work space. You may
also want to consider eating only organic foods to reduce the amount of
pesticide intake. There are many herbal teas that will help you detox -
a good one is dandelion root tea. Short 1 day fasts with eating only
one vegetable or fruit per day may also help eliminate toxins which
often accumulate in your gut.

Sweating is good and the quickest and most natural way to release
toxins. Bathing with epsom salts or baking soda is a good way to get
sweat glands going and help you release toxins. It may make you feel
worse at first because releasing the toxins makes them spread first
through the body in order to be eliminated. You may get worse before
you get better.

You may be also dealing with mineral/nutritional deficiencies, like zinc
or magnesium, and so it may help to find a doctor who can check your red
blood cell levels of each. (a regular blood panel does not usually show
significant deficiencies.) You may want to find a doctor who deals in
environmental illnesses since most doctors are unaware of these issues,
and will only serve to cause you stress and try to medicate you with
more toxins.

Once you find the deficiencies, it's best to deal with them by altering
dietary habits and not spend too much money on supplements that you may
not be absorbing due to poor assimilation/absorbsion in the digestive
tract. There is no quick way to return the body after it has reached
this point, but if you work every moment to repair it, and try to
understand what is happening to your system metabolically , you will see
improvement in a few months. For a full recovery, you may need to make
significant life changes which may even include a career change or a
move to a less toxic place. But we are all different and some are more
successful with healing than others.

Hormonal issues are highly intertwined with detox functioning and so
this may also be playing into your sudden symptoms. If you are taking
any meds or using creams, you may want to consider alternative/natural
methods that will help so that your body can repair itself without
overburdening it with the toxic side-effects of the meds.

You will get well again if you take time to eliminate the causes. It
will take time and a lot of energy to find the causes and you will need
the support of a good group who also understand and appreciate the
issues you are facing, not only physically, but mentally and socially
and spiritually. There are many other helpful groups that can help you
address both the EMF sensitivity and chemical toxicity that might be
contributing to your symptoms. I recommend the following two groups:

http://www.immuneweb.org/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCS-CI-Hope2/

They can also help you locate the nearest specialist and also give you
support and provide information with how you can return to better
health. All members have gone through the same confusion and
frustrations and so you will get a lot of understanding and warm
support.

A chemically toxic and EMF-free lifestyle is a real challenge in this
day and age, but you can do your best to keep well by avoiding as much
exposure to both as you can. It will get easier after you go through
the initial process of understanding and finding alternatives.

Wishing you wellness, wisdom and peace,

Tokyo
_________________________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: dnaz53
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:20 AM
Subject: [eSens] new and confused


Hi I am 51 and just had an emergency hysterectomy to save me from
bleeding to death in March...since then when I returned to my shop (I
own a wood flooring business) I have been unable to be there for more
than a few hours before my face starts to burn and sting and I get
flushed all over and feel nauseous. I've been to my gyn (put on estrogen
patch) dermatologist (never saw this before, but try this
cream) GP (maybe hormones, maybe derm stuff)

Anyway, I found the website in Sweden that described my symptoms
exactly...especially the part where it goes away when you go home, and
here I am...surfing the web for more info. I have 5 computers and
florescent lights at work...we are a smal;l biz and I work6-7 days a
week. I see that you are all deep into this issue, and talking about
thing I am not familiar with, but I need all the information I can get.
thanks d

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--- In [hidden email], "Benson, Sarah \(Sen L. Allison\)"
<Sarah.Benson@a...> wrote:
> I agree with all of this..
>
> However it should also be mentioned that your immune system has
been
> under severe stress due to the operation - partly the anaesthetic,
> partly the physical stress of being operated on, and partly due to
the
> nature of your actual operation. I also had a friend who has
developed
> immune system problems after having had a hysterectomy.
>
> However, everything is fixable, and this excellent advice from
Tokyo is be
> 'allergic' to the chemicals in your workplace too. (An illness
that yet
> has no name in medical science, but is often referred to as
multiple
> chemical sensitivity, or MCS, or chemical intolerance, or CI)
Often the
> two--EMF sensitivity and MCS--come hand-in-hand. Wood flooring
> typically has low levels of formaldehyde that can build up to a
toxic
> level inside the body if you are compromising your detox system
with
> poor nutrition, diet, air quality, etc.
>
> Also, if you are going to construction sites often, you will also
be
> exposed to highly toxic glues and other chemicals as well that
will add
> to your load. It takes time for the body to rid itself of toxins
and so
> the less exposure you have to any - natural or manmade - will
help. A
> short list of everyday evils are: gasoline, natural gas,
> perfumes/colognes, fragranced products like air fresheners, fabric
> softeners, food additives and preservatives, pesticides, tobacco,
> alcohol, caffiene, sugar, glues, inks (including copy/printer ink),
> household cleaners, bleach, most commercial detergent, mold, dust,
and
> most new products with plastic or bleached paper and dyes..., new
> computer equipment offgases some toxic gases as well....
>
> If you use a cell phone, I would advise you to get a hands-free
headset
> device which will keep the microwaves as far as possible from your
head
> while in use. But it would be best if you could also reduce your
time
> on the phone (less than 10 minutes per call) and keep it located
at a
> place at least 5 feet away from your body at all times. The
further away
> the better. You can also look into protective devices - this list
can
> offer some suggestions in that area.
>
> If you can work from home for a while (2 or 3 months) and create an
> oasis in one room where you can spend most of your time until your
detox
> process gets underway and you can make some noticable progress--a
room
> with good ventilation and few electronic appliances (the furthest
away
> from any major appliances in the house, like refrigerators, breaker
> boxes, washer/dryers, microwave, electric oven, electric A/C, etc.
and
> outside the house power station, high tension wires, cell phone
> antennas) then that would be ideal.
>
> If you smoke or drink, you should quit immediately. If you are
living
> or working in an environment that allows smoking, you should look
into
> ways to completely separate smoking areas from your work space.
You may
> also want to consider eating only organic foods to reduce the
amount of
> pesticide intake. There are many herbal teas that will help you
detox -
> a good one is dandelion root tea. Short 1 day fasts with eating
only
> one vegetable or fruit per day may also help eliminate toxins which
> often accumulate in your gut.
>
> Sweating is good and the quickest and most natural way to release
> toxins. Bathing with epsom salts or baking soda is a good way to
get
> sweat glands going and help you release toxins. It may make you
feel
> worse at first because releasing the toxins makes them spread first
> through the body in order to be eliminated. You may get worse
before
> you get better.
>
> You may be also dealing with mineral/nutritional deficiencies,
like zinc
> or magnesium, and so it may help to find a doctor who can check
your red
> blood cell levels of each. (a regular blood panel does not
usually show
> significant deficiencies.) You may want to find a doctor who
deals in
> environmental illnesses since most doctors are unaware of these
issues,
> and will only serve to cause you stress and try to medicate you
with
> more toxins.
>
> Once you find the deficiencies, it's best to deal with them by
altering
> dietary habits and not spend too much money on supplements that
you may
> not be absorbing due to poor assimilation/absorbsion in the
digestive
> tract. There is no quick way to return the body after it has
reached
> this point, but if you work every moment to repair it, and try to
> understand what is happening to your system metabolically , you
will see
> improvement in a few months. For a full recovery, you may need to
make
> significant life changes which may even include a career change or
a
> move to a less toxic place. But we are all different and some are
more
> successful with healing than others.
>
> Hormonal issues are highly intertwined with detox functioning and
so
> this may also be playing into your sudden symptoms. If you are
taking
> any meds or using creams, you may want to consider
alternative/natural
> methods that will help so that your body can repair itself without
> overburdening it with the toxic side-effects of the meds.
>
> You will get well again if you take time to eliminate the causes.
It
> will take time and a lot of energy to find the causes and you will
need
> the support of a good group who also understand and appreciate the
> issues you are facing, not only physically, but mentally and
socially
> and spiritually. There are many other helpful groups that can help
you
> address both the EMF sensitivity and chemical toxicity that might
be
> contributing to your symptoms. I recommend the following two
groups:
>
> http://www.immuneweb.org/
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCS-CI-Hope2/
>
> They can also help you locate the nearest specialist and also give
you
> support and provide information with how you can return to better
> health. All members have gone through the same confusion and
> frustrations and so you will get a lot of understanding and warm
> support.
>
> A chemically toxic and EMF-free lifestyle is a real challenge in
this
> day and age, but you can do your best to keep well by avoiding as
much
> exposure to both as you can. It will get easier after you go
through
> the initial process of understanding and finding alternatives.
>
> Wishing you wellness, wisdom and peace,
>
> Tokyo
>
_________________________________________________________________
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dnaz53
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:20 AM
> Subject: [eSens] new and confused
>
>
> Hi I am 51 and just had an emergency hysterectomy to save me from
> bleeding to death in March...since then when I returned to my shop
(I
> own a wood flooring business) I have been unable to be there for
more
> than a few hours before my face starts to burn and sting and I get
> flushed all over and feel nauseous. I've been to my gyn (put on
estrogen
> patch) dermatologist (never saw this before, but try this
> cream) GP (maybe hormones, maybe derm stuff)
>
> Anyway, I found the website in Sweden that described my symptoms
> exactly...especially the part where it goes away when you go home,
and
> here I am...surfing the web for more info. I have 5 computers and
> florescent lights at work...we are a smal;l biz and I work6-7 days
a
> week. I see that you are all deep into this issue, and talking
about
> thing I am not familiar with, but I need all the information I can
get.
> thanks d
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
> Thank you all for the advice and great information. To answer
Mark, I did have slight burning and red eyes last spring when we
first moved into this building, but I attributed it to the hormones
I was taking to try to stop the constant bleeding. (provera is said
to make some people photosensitive) It seemed to subside over the
winter, but returned much worse after my 8 weeks at home post-op. My
acupunturist and Chiropracter both feel that my immune system has
just been taxed to exhaustion. I am eating very well and taking
supplements, and exercising as often as I can muster the energy.
I am intent on modifying the building to be safer, but how do I know
what is really causing the problem. I know that the florescents are
terrible, and the computer screen is bad...I purchased a headset for
the cell phone....this is all overwhelming...how long have all of
you been dealing with this? I live in VT and moved here 30 yrs ago
to live in a safe clean place...didn't think this would ever be an
issue...thanks again, I will read the archives and go to the
recommended websites.

d
>

>I am intent on modifying the building to be safer, but how do I know
>what is really causing the problem.

Basically trial & error should do it. For example, you say that you feel
better when you're at home. So what you do is try exposing yourself to a
computer monitor screen at home, and see if that makes you worse. Then try
a florescent light at home and see what that does. I agree that chemical
exposures and off-gassing can be contributing factors, but I also know that
the florescent lights and the computer *alone* can be debilitating to some
(they were to me). Things like the devices from Quantum Products
(www.quantumproducts.com) can be a "quick fix" to make the electricity less
harmful, but the longterm solution is detoxifying and rebuilding your
system so it can tolerate what everyone else can.

>how long have all of you been dealing with this?

Some folks have been dealing with this for decades... the first case I've
heard of for electrical sensitivity was Tesla, which was a LONG time ago
(before WWII). Then radar operators got "radio wave sickness" in the
1950's, and in the 1980's there was something called "Video Operators
Distress Syndrome". I've only been dealing with this for about 5 years,
and have basically got a routine where I don't need to worry about
avoidance anymore, and work full-time in a building full of computers and
florescent lights without problems. However, to get to that point took a
LOT of trial & error without much information to go on. Hopefully with the
help of this list, people will be able to get better quicker and with less
cost and effort.

Marc

Hallo Diane,
for me as a medical doctor your story clearly shows, that the trauma of the
surgery was after all too much for your system. There is the anaethesia, which
is actually an intoxication with some aftereffects. There are the scars, that
irritate the acupuncture meridians and the energy flow in the body. Usually
there are given injections of procain or lidocain into the area of the scars.
Naturopathic doctors know how to do this. This might already be enough to
significantly decrease the complaints. You might also have a electrosmog
neutralizing device with you. Some are mentioned here in this list. I have been using
BioProtect for my patients with good results (www.bioprotect.de.vu). Also taking
antioxydants is helpful, but does not actually resolve the situation, its a
good compensation.
Don`t do all at once, for then you will not know what actually helped. Start
with the things, that you easily can change.
Greetings
Dietrich


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gutten Tag Dietrich,

I enjoyed reading your response to Dianne's situation. I am glad to see
more medical doctors are using bio-energy solutions for these problems. I
sent Dianne a message privately also suggesting to look at bio-energy
solution. Personally I use bio-energy solutions everyday for my health.
Specifically Pranic Healing, and Shiatsu Therapy. For me it is to balance
side effects from mercury poisoning and potentially bipolar disorder (I
haven't yet determined if mercury poisoning may be causing bipolar like
symptoms so not sure if I have bipolar). So far I removed all my fillings
and am doing DMSA mercury detox with naturopath.

That is a very interesting perspective to look at the effect medical
operations have on energy meridians.

I am curious if it is common for phsychiatrists in Germany to use herbs to
treat mental disorders like bipolar? I have a phychiatrist in Canada that I
will see next month who is 86 yrs old and treats his patients with natural
medicine.

Please say hi to Germany. I am in Canada, but used to live in Munchen
Germany for 5 years as a child. My family roots are in Stuttgart.

Weiter Sein,

Glenn


----Original Message Follows----
From: [hidden email]
Reply-To: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] new and confused
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:32:53 EDT

Hallo Diane,
for me as a medical doctor your story clearly shows, that the trauma of the
surgery was after all too much for your system. There is the anaethesia,
which
is actually an intoxication with some aftereffects. There are the scars,
that
irritate the acupuncture meridians and the energy flow in the body. Usually
there are given injections of procain or lidocain into the area of the
scars.
Naturopathic doctors know how to do this. This might already be enough to
significantly decrease the complaints. You might also have a electrosmog
neutralizing device with you. Some are mentioned here in this list. I have
been using
BioProtect for my patients with good results (www.bioprotect.de.vu). Also
taking
antioxydants is helpful, but does not actually resolve the situation, its a
good compensation.
Don`t do all at once, for then you will not know what actually helped. Start
with the things, that you easily can change.
Greetings
Dietrich


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I did have slight burning and red eyes last spring when we
first moved into this building, but I attributed it to the hormones
I was taking to try to stop the constant bleeding. (provera is said
to make some people photosensitive)

Hello
If you have taken something that might have made you photosensitive, then I
would guess this could be the main trigger for electrical sensitivity (and
possibly also chemical sensitivity). As you probably know, light is just
another form of electromagnetic (EM) radiation, like that which is being
emitted from the many electronic devices around you at the moment. I would
suggest that first and foremost, you eliminate the major sources of EM fields
and radiation, particularly conventional CRT style computer monitors and TV's.
Although the alternatives (e.g. LCD screens) aren't necessarily cheap and may
not solve the problem, this seems to have improved my situation markedly and my
symptoms were similar to what you describe. If you are anywhere near the back
of another computer monitor, then completely rearrange your office as a
priority because this is probably the largest source of powerful EM fields in
your environment. As for the fluoro lights, with the help of understanding
office co-workers these can be avoided and substituted with incandescent desk
lamps or skylights if possible (it is worth mentioning that LCD screens have a
fluorescent 'back-light' which could also cause problems - I am still looking
into methods of replacing the fluoro in my LCD). I must also add that I seem
to have an intolerance for formaldehyde, which as suggested is probably
something you are highly exposed to, though it can be avoided with filters and
ventilation (someone on this list knows all about good filters and is related
to a US distributor). I hope it is possible for you to resolve your condition
without having to remove yourself from your office, and from what people on
this list have achieved, I'd say that the outlook is good, given enough
commitment and accurate information. Anyway, I would hope that removing the
major sources of EM fields and radiation, such as computer monitors,
fluorescent lighting and mobile phones (bearing in mind that there was a time
when you didn't have one - one easy way is to tell all your friends not to call
you on your mobile and reserve it only for business necessity). Anyway,
behaviour modification is the hardest, so I'd always advise people to modify
the physical aspects of their environment as a priority. At home, if you sleep
near a digital clock (high EM fields), on an electric blanket (even higher EM
fields) or near a mobile phone that is switched on, it's a good idea to remove
these items from your house as they are some of the worst things in the home.
A few hot water bottles (with covers) and a battery powered clock are fantastic
investments to minimise your bedtime exposure and thus give your body time to
heal. As for the mobile phone, I would suggest putting it in a bucket of
water, but that's just my highly biased and probably impractical opinion. All
the best
Lachlan

[hidden email] wrote:
Thank you for your reply. It does seem to me that the surgery was just
too much for me on top of the yr of heavy bleeding and the move into
this new building. I was also given a large blood transfusion, could
that have an effect as well?
I am hoping to find a doctor here that is understanding of this
condition, so far my doctors have looked at me like I'm crazy. Do you
know anyone in the US that specializes in this?
Thanks again
diane

Lachlan Mudge wrote:

Thanks for your reply...you made a very good point and since I am
currently on an estrogen patch (due to the surgical menopause) I will
look into whether this too can be causing photosensitivity, and if so
remove it immediately. Do you know if Halide lights are as bad as
florescents? Our building is a warehouse and quite large, with 20 ft
ceilings. To replace the florescents will be very costly, with halides
about 3000 dollars, but with all incandesant, over 5000.
I will do whatever is necessary, and all of your suggestions are helpful.
Thanks again,
diane

>I am hoping to find a doctor here that is understanding of this
>condition, so far my doctors have looked at me like I'm crazy.

I'm in the USA, and gave up on medical doctors after about a year
of them making me much worse. Then I tried naturopathic doctors
-- they didn't make me worse, but they didn't help either. I ended
up going to people who are REALLY into alternative medicine, and
use EAV testing (electro acupuncture according to voll) and/or
applied kinesiology (muscle testing). The person I've been
seeing for the last year calls herself a nutritionist, but she's
been better than anyone else I've seen for this.

>To replace the florescents will be very costly, with halides
>about 3000 dollars, but with all incandesant, over 5000.
>I will do whatever is necessary, and all of your suggestions are helpful.

I've found that EMF protection devices are far cheaper (and
more effective!) than replacing things. And sometimes the
replacements are just as bad (or worse!) as what you're replacing!

Marc

Hi
I didn't realise you were in a warehouse. I would say that the lamps you have
are as bad as fluoros, from my experience with them, although the good thing is
that you are not close to them as I imagine they're high in the ceiling, which
pretty much rules out the possibility that their EM field is affecting you
much. If the flickering light that these lamps emit is causing you problems,
as seems to be the case for some, it would seem that all you'd have to do is
create yourself a little enclosed office that then uses only incandescent or
natural lighting and that way you could also isolate your atmospheric
environment fairly easily and cheaply with a small filter. Not sure how
practical any of this is for you, not having a plan for your warehouse, though
if you were to do this, you could easily use a couple of meters to find the
area in the warehouse with the least electromagnetic activity (electric fields,
magnetic fields and EM radiation). Anyway, I hope this helps
Lachlan

Sorry, I misread your email, but what I said still applies. For halide or
fluoro lighting, if it is a fair distance away (i.e. 20ft) then the fields
shouldn't be a problem so perhaps just try to avoid the flicker if that seems
to aggravate you.

-----Original Message-----
From: diane nazarenko [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2004 1:07 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: new and confused

Lachlan Mudge wrote:

Thanks for your reply...you made a very good point and since I am
currently on an estrogen patch (due to the surgical menopause) I will
look into whether this too can be causing photosensitivity, and if so
remove it immediately. Do you know if Halide lights are as bad as
florescents? Our building is a warehouse and quite large, with 20 ft
ceilings. To replace the florescents will be very costly, with halides
about 3000 dollars, but with all incandesant, over 5000.
I will do whatever is necessary, and all of your suggestions are helpful.
Thanks again,
diane





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Lachlan Mudge wrote:

> Sorry, I misread your email, but what I said still applies. For halide or
> fluoro lighting, if it is a fair distance away (i.e. 20ft) then the fields
> shouldn't be a problem so perhaps just try to avoid the flicker if
> that seems
> to aggravate you.


Thanks Lachlan,
I borrowed a meter today from a friend who's fighting a power company
(VELCO) . They're trying to run a huge powerline here in VT.
I'm bringing it to work tomorrow ...it will be interesting to see what
I'll find. I do have an office at the far end of the building that I
believe is pretty safe, but the showroom/warehouse is basically one big
4000 square foot space with florescent lights . The electric panel is
also exposed. I was told by the electrician that halide lamps are also
"discharge" type of lighting that can cause a reaction in sensitive
people. I am also not able to go out in the sun at all without burning.
I am Italian and have never burned before. I'm sure I'll have more
questions as I get further into this.

Marc Martin wrote:


Thanks Marc,
My chiropractor is also a Kinesiologist, but hasn't really treated this
condition before...
Do you know of any devices that can "clean up" a large space like my
4000 suare foot warehouse?
I borrowed a meter and will measure everything tomorrow..
I will also look into EAV testing...I haven't heard of anyone doing
that here.

d

>My chiropractor is also a Kinesiologist, but hasn't really treated this
>condition before...

Yes, but has he treated multiple chemical sensitivities of chronic fatigue
syndrome? I think the treatments are similar for these...

>Do you know of any devices that can "clean up" a large space like my
>4000 suare foot warehouse?

The "Quantum Pro" should clean up a space that large, but you could call
them up and ask them to confirm (and verify their money back guarantee
policy if it doesn't help):

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_pro.html

Also, another strategy is to merely protect an area a few feet around your
body, by wearing something on you, like a Springlife Polarizer pendant:

http://products.bioharmonics.com/polarizers/lifeforce.htm

I've found that both these product lines are particularly helpful for me,
and they even can be combined for added benefit (as they don't seem to do
the same thing)

>I borrowed a meter and will measure everything tomorrow..

Note that the meter may be tuned to read a certain set of frequencies, and
the lights may be putting out an entirely different set of frequencies that
are bothering you. I've never found much correlation between my symptoms
and any meter readings...

>I am also not able to go out in the sun at all without burning.

Are you taking any medications which are known to cause sun-sensitivity?
Also note that easy burning in the sun could be a sign of reduced
antioxidants in the system. I've had good luck with some of my skin
symptoms by using a skin cream that's high in carrot oil (made by "Burt's
Bees").

Also, you said that you are taking supplements, but I was wondering if you
were taking anything that contains Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA) -- for
example, evening primrose oil, borage oil, or black current seed oil. Also,
this is contained in oats/oatmeal. I've noticed that this seems to help my
tolerance a noticeable amount... and would explain why I like to eat
oatmeal raisin cookies! :-)

Marc

Hello Lachlan,

in my opinion, even in large warehouses, where the ceilings are relatively
high, electrosensibles *feel* the lamps after about 15 minutes and have to
leave the warehouse.
A 100 nT (= 1 mG) can be devastating to them.

The SBM-2003 on my website are also in english downloadable.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lachlan Mudge" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 02:21
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: new and confused


> Hi
> I didn't realise you were in a warehouse. I would say that the lamps you
have
> are as bad as fluoros, from my experience with them, although the good
thing is
> that you are not close to them as I imagine they're high in the ceiling,
which
> pretty much rules out the possibility that their EM field is affecting you
> much. If the flickering light that these lamps emit is causing you
problems,
> as seems to be the case for some, it would seem that all you'd have to do
is
> create yourself a little enclosed office that then uses only incandescent
or
> natural lighting and that way you could also isolate your atmospheric
> environment fairly easily and cheaply with a small filter. Not sure how
> practical any of this is for you, not having a plan for your warehouse,
though
> if you were to do this, you could easily use a couple of meters to find
the
> area in the warehouse with the least electromagnetic activity (electric
fields,