need advice re: rfid chips in credit cards

I washed a shirt in their fabric shield, and I got an adverse reaction to it.  No adverse reaction to the XP shielding, although I'm not sure how much it helps.  I still have a cut-out of it behind my work ID badge, though.

Marc



On October 26, "RJensen [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> The Aegis XP product also worked for me, although a handkerchief rinsed in
> their AegisGuard LL fabric shield that I use for my t-shirts seemed to be
> just as effective.

I was surprised to learn that you had a reaction. As indicated in my first posting to this forum around a year and a half ago, I've been using their washable fabric shield since 2007 without encountering problems.

Yes, I'm one of those people who has a real problem with metal on my person, and although I think they claim that there is no metal in the fabric solution (?), there is still something in there that is reflecting EMF and causing me the same sort of symptoms that I'd get by wearing shielding materials.

But, no problem with the XP material or the spray (although the spray is applied to the source of the problem)

Marc

I also understand there is no metal in any of their "L" series products, all of which use the same shielding compounds (their term), but I'm not an expert about how the stuff works.

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond.  My health crashed so bad that I had to spend every moment possible in bed; only lying down would ease the pain.  

Thanks everyone for all your replies.  I think I had seen the mentions of Longitudinal waves before but my eyes had glazed over when trying to understand them.  

Some interesting notes regarding this:
1. I read through the threads here and visited Charles' website about longitudinal waves.  It wasn't clear to me how to shield them?  It seems that the product recommended in this regard is the ClaeSmog or ClaeProtect.  I did try the ClaeSmog back in March, and defintely noticed a herxheimers reaction to it...but the herxing never stopped and after 6 weeks or so my homeopath forbade me to use it, saying that her remedies are tailored especially for me, and will be better for me...and as she really has helped me quite a lot, I had to respect her request.  But perhaps I should revisit this.

2. Marc, thanks for the tip on putting it in a ziploc.  I tried that as soon as I read it and have noticed a difference.  It remains to be seen whether that will be sufficient or not.  Currently the card is wrapped in several layers of heavy duty aluminum foil, sealed in a heavy duty ziploc, which is wrapped in copper fabric, and stored in a fire safe in my basement.  Finally this week I'm not in constant pain but I'm not ready to do any experimenting until I'm doing better.  Once I'm mostly pain-free, I will see if I can take it out of the fire safe...and go one layer at a time.

3.  I got an e-mail from my bank saying that they will soon be replacing ALL our cards with chip cards.  I could try begging or switching banks, but at the end of the day, it's only a matter of time before all cards are chip cards and there won't be any such thing as a plain magnetic strip card.  This is a problem that cannot be avoided.

4.  Even if (here's hoping) keeping this thing in a ziploc helps, what will I do in public when surrounded by people with chip cards in their wallets?  Sigh.

Well, again, thanks to everyone who took the time to respond.  This was a very lively and helpful thread.

Lisa

One should try in wrapping the card in a plastic film.

> One should try in wrapping the card in a plastic film.

Is that for the longitudinal waves?  I think I've already confirmed that this does indeed help with my work ID badge, but I stumbled across this years ago purely by accident.

Marc

Yes, exactly.

I'm curious to know--you say to wrap it in plastic film--are there any specific properties this plastic film needs to have in order to offer good "shielding"?

I ask because now they just sent my husband a new chip card and as soon as I saw the envelope, I grabbed the nearest plastic shopping bag (white and black, relatively thick plastic) and wrapped it up.

Didn't help.  Had to take it downstairs and entomb it with the other one...

Would putting it in a heavy duty ziploc have been better?  Does it need to be sealed?  Does it need to be clear?

Sorry for all the questions.  I want to understand this...

Many thanks,
Lisa

I'm not sure anyone here really has answers to these questions... since you may be the most sensitive to this of all of us, we may need to rely on YOU for these answers.

Marc

marc, what kind of plastic worked for you? 

On November 10, "Patricia [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> marc, what kind of plastic worked for you?
> was it one of those card holders that you
> wear around your neck like a necklace?  
> if so, they're pretty thick plastic.  
> patricia

Yes, it was a standard clear "badge holder", which is pretty thick.  At the time, I was also adding shielding materials inside, clear on the front and not-clear on the back, but I think just the badge holder alone was helping.

Marc

It was one of these... not the super-thick plastic that you slide a badge into, but rather clear plastic that encases the badge:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X-vMAKKRL._SY300_.jpg

Marc
 

great.  thanks for clarifying.  

On November 10, "Patricia [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> great.  thanks for clarifying.  
> do you think that would help with credit cards too?

I don't know... I'm a bit interested myself in seeing what works for someone who is extremely sensitive to this.

Marc

I can hardly believe this thread was from last November.  It has been a rough 6 months.

I wanted to update this so that others can learn from it if needed.

I did put the chip card in a plastic sleeve, and along with the foil lining I put in my wallet, I am able to tolerate it this way.

This is good news.

Unfortunately, about two months ago my symptoms flared up again but we could not find the source.  Somewhere there must have been an RFID chip, but our best efforts to find it failed.

I got worse and worse and the only thing that finally helped (after weeks of intense pain) was that I have been seeing a classical homeopath...and after trying a few things, she was finally able to find a remedy that could help alleviate the reaction.

So...the upshot...

If you are experiencing this sensitivity, encasing the offending chip in plastic does seem to help.

However, a more long-term solution may be to find a good, classically-trained homeopath (as the specific remedy is tailored for me and my specific array of symptoms...and will likely not work for others...)

Thanks again for all the advice here, and I hope this may help someone.

Lisa